Assisted Death

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

If I begin a book, that turns out to be rubbish, I'll stop reading it.

If I watch a film, which turns into a stinker, I'll leave the cinema.

If I no longer have my independence, and face spending my middle age slumped infront of a TV, being spoon fed in some care home, it ain't happening.

I'm out of here.

Everything's planned.

Might change my mind, nearer the time.

Doubtful.

I never did read Catch 22, or see the end of Showgirls.

You're already officially well into middle-age deary, doing fine so stop all that nonsense at once or I shall get very cross and have your head on a spike, so I will!

Remember you've promised to show me your etchings when i next come over so don't you dare do anything rash before then.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by mobertol

You're already officially well into middle-age deary, doing fine so stop all that nonsense at once or I shall get very cross and have your head on a spike, so I will!

Remember you've promised to show me your etchings when i next come over so don't you dare do anything rash before then.

How very dare you.

You take off fifteen years, on the start of official middle age, if you're a non-breeder.

As you've experienced less stress.

Not being maudlin.

Just honest, and practical.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

How very dare you.

You take off fifteen years, on the start of official middle age, if you're a non-breeder.

As you've experienced less stress.

Not being maudlin.

Just honest, and practical.

That is a new one on me - good, glad you've got years to go and there's plenty of time for me to book a flight.

I know you aren't being maudlin and mean what you say -just as you know that i do too. Except with regard to the self-destruct device of course.

[Stevie R]

Originally Posted by claytonx

How do you feel about assisted death

My sister had a` living will`,when she was perhaps 2 days away from leaving us I near enough begged the Staff Nurse to treat her but Elaine`s` living will`was absolute,but when it came down to it,even after all her relapses and stays in intensive care and her MS got worse and I knew she had the will,if I could have at that moment,right or wrong,I would have rescinded that will.Not sure if this is assisted death but it`s not far off.(comments will be welcome whatever your views)

[cashman]

Understand were yer coming from steve, i felt exactly the same wi me late missus, different circumstances, but same feelings.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Stevie R

My sister had a` living will`,when she was perhaps 2 days away from leaving us I near enough begged the Staff Nurse to treat her but Elaine`s` living will`was absolute,but when it came down to it,even after all her relapses and stays in intensive care and her MS got worse and I knew she had the will,if I could have at that moment,right or wrong,I would have rescinded that will.Not sure if this is assisted death but it`s not far off.(comments will be welcome whatever your views)

That's very sad.

It's hard for relatives, who love the person concerned.

I hope my relatives love me enough to know I've decided what I have, whilst of sound mind, and respect my wishes.

[Stevie R]

Originally Posted by garinda

That's very sad.

It's hard for relatives, who love the person concerned.

I hope my relatives love me enough to know I've decided what I have, whilst of sound mind, and respect my wishes.

Got it cashy,but Garinda when it came down to it,I did say no I could`nt accept it,maybe selfish on my part,but do you think it is assisted death,maybe by the back door?

[cashman]

Not selfish at all in my view, But my guess is- as was a living will, would be classed as murder steve, not assisted? to me that would be the wrong outcome,but reckon thats the way it would stand.

[Stevie R]

Originally Posted by cashman

Not selfish at all in my view, But my guess is- as was a living will, would be classed as murder steve, not assisted? to me that would be the wrong outcome,but reckon thats the way it would stand.

The living will Cashy was legal,drafted by solicitors and as far as I can gather,recognised by the nursing profession,so again I ask is it assisted death?

[Margaret Pilkington]

No, it isn't assisted death. A living will is something entirely different.
Assisted death is the end of life by giving some drug to end the life......in this country illegal at present, but in other countries the drug is prescribed by a physician but the patient themselves administer the drug which will kill them.
In a living will the patient will have signed a legal document which outlines that no medical interventions are to be used to extend their life. This does not usually mean the withdrawal of nursing care to keep them comfortable, or pain free. It is recognised by the nursing and medical profession.

[cashman]

I was sure it wasn't assisted death Steve, but Margaret has explained the reason far better than i could.

[cashman]

This subject poses n interesting question to me- A good friend of ours was rushed to Blackpool,Pre- Christmas after suffering a heart attack, she was saved by being bumped wi those doofers 17 times thank god, My question is -Would that treatment have been denied if she had a Living Will in place?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Stevie R

Got it cashy,but Garinda when it came down to it,I did say no I could`nt accept it,maybe selfish on my part,but do you think it is assisted death,maybe by the back door?

No I don't think it is Stevie, if some one has a valid living will made when in sound mind, and decides they don't want resuscitation, then its their choice. Its like people who refuse to have a blood transfusion for religious reasons, it is their wish and there is nothing medical staff can do to overturn that decision.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

No, it isn't assisted death. A living will is something entirely different.
Assisted death is the end of life by giving some drug to end the life......in this country illegal at present, but in other countries the drug is prescribed by a physician but the patient themselves administer the drug which will kill them.
In a living will the patient will have signed a legal document which outlines that no medical interventions are to be used to extend their life. This does not usually mean the withdrawal of nursing care to keep them comfortable, or pain free. It is recognised by the nursing and medical profession.

My neighbour's sister died recently of some form of Lateral schlerosis at only 52 -she had made a living will to refuse artificial help with breathing, she was given morphine to ease suffering but I think that has to be very carefully monitored as it can supress breathing..Margaret will no doubt be able to correct me.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by mobertol

My neighbour's sister died recently of some form of Lateral schlerosis at only 52 -she had made a living will to refuse artificial help with breathing, she was given morphine to ease suffering but I think that has to be very carefully monitored as it can supress breathing..Margaret will no doubt be able to correct me.

It has to be carefully monitored in any case, nearly sure they have a book on the ward that has to be signed my the nurse (maybe even a staff nurse or above) when this type of medication is administered