Assisted Death

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Who were you then? The glam Fiona Fullerton!

No.......I wasn't anybody the writer just wanted background stories on which he could base his plot lines...or at least that is what he told us.
I didn't actually see many of these programs when they were aired, I always seemed to be on a late shift when they were on....and back then I don't think we had a video recorder....so I don't actually know if he used any of the material from the interview.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by susie123

Totally agree about the foolishness of requiring degrees for nursing.

If I was applying to become a nurse today, I wouldn't get a look in.......my education would not have been considered good enough.

My experience of the university trained nurses was that they didn't really want to do the 'personal care' aspect of the job...they wanted to do the technical stuff......the stuff that provides no comfort to the patient.
They believed(or at least it seemed that way) that the personal care aspects were the domain of the Nursing Auxiliaries.
It was difficult to get through to them that the personal care aspects were the most rewarding, because they gave comfort to the patient....and it was at these times that patients were most likely to tell you their worst fears and anxieties......in the privacy of a bathroom with the bath taps running, there is no chance of being overheard by other patients.
Ok, I may be being unkind to some university trained nurses...but in the main I think the sandwich course style training was better at equipping you to be an effective Staff Nurse.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by susie123

Ah those were the days... Nurse Carole Young... Did you know they have brought out some episodes on DVD?

Totally agree about the foolishness of requiring degrees for nursing.

Its all well and good insisting that nurses now have to be university educated to degree standard, but you sure as hell don't learn compassion and caring at university, that comes from within and it is easy to tell, there is a big difference in what I call the old guard and the newbies although the new generation within the nursing profession still do a good job and are very clued up with whats happening, nursing is now more of a career than a vocation, which is the sad part really

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by claytonx

How do you feel about assisted death

Depends on whose we're talking about.

Should it be a much loved family member or friend whose suffering worsens every day & they so wish it to end I would agree if that is what they want. why should they be any different to an old & faithful family pet, we'd have no problem easing the pains of with a trip to the vets, why should our human companions not be allowed this compassion also to ease their hurts ?

For those depraved creatures out there who are neither use to man nor beast, a drain on society whose crimes have resulted in death of another, most certainly, happily & the sooner the better.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by claytonx

How do you feel about assisted death

Hard cases make bad law .

I hope it will never be legal in this country .

[davebtelford]

If I wanted to kill myself but wasn't physically able to do so I would be extremely ****ed off if no-one would help me.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by JCB

Hard cases make bad law .

I hope it will never be legal in this country .

I tend to agree with you here JCB, to me it would be the thin end of the wedge, I've always said I could end my life by just waling into my bedroom and opening my drug cupboard, but I couldn't put my family through the ordeal

[MargaretR]

This topic has made the news again today.
There is a process named 'Liverpool Assisted Pathway' whereby speedy death is ensured.

Elderly patients 'helped to die to free up beds', warns doctor - Telegraph

With such a procedure in place it makes it easier for hospitals to decide to use it, whether it is appropriate or not, to free up beds and achieve targets.

I am not against voluntary euthanasia, but this isn't that -
it seems more like a cost cutting cull of the 'useless eaters'.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

This topic has made the news again today.
There is a process named 'Liverpool Assisted Pathway' whereby speedy death is ensured.

Elderly patients 'helped to die to free up beds', warns doctor - Telegraph

With such a procedure in place it makes it easier for hospitals to decide to use it, whether it is appropriate or not, to free up beds and achieve targets.

I am not against voluntary euthanasia, but this isn't that -
it seems more like a cost cutting cull of the 'useless eaters'.

There are more and more people including DNR notices in their records these days, I'm not one of um though

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

There are more and more people including DNR notices in their records these days, I'm not one of um though

You are not a 'write off' at 65.
I am nearing 70, and if hospitalisation became necessary for me, I would seriously contemplate a DIY job at home.

Lying in a noisy hospital ward to achieve death by starvation and dehydration is not my idea of a dignified death.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

You are not a 'write off' at 65.
I am nearing 70, and if hospitalisation became necessary for me, I would seriously contemplate a DIY job at home.

Lying in a noisy hospital ward to achieve death by starvation and dehydration is not my idea of a dignified death.

I ain't going to live that long Margaret

[Eric]

Here in god's country things look as if they may be changing in this area. Of course, we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I don't know if the government will appeal ... probably will ... If they do it will have to go to the Supreme Court, which has a history of ruling in favour of individual rights. I believe that the Court would rule in favour of assisted death. Granting the right to Canadians is a recognition that they have control over this terminal aspect of their lives.

Right to assisted suicide 'momentous' says B.C. woman - British Columbia - CBC News

[Eric]

Originally Posted by davebtelford

If I wanted to kill myself but wasn't physically able to do so I would be extremely ****ed off if no-one would help me.

Me too ... as long as I can load, pump, point and pull, I'm ok. I have a good and true friend who has promised to help me out in, let's say, certain circumstances. And I've promised to do the same for him. What are friends for, eh.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Eric

Me too ... as long as I can load, pump, point and pull, I'm ok. I have a good and true friend who has promised to help me out in, let's say, certain circumstances. And I've promised to do the same for him. What are friends for, eh.

That's fair enough if it's your private choice and wish..as the law now stands there could be a possibilty of your or your mate facing charges... like you say a true friend would do the action but should also be prepared take the very slim risk of being charged ..so I can't see any need to make assisted death legal.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Mancie

That's fair enough if it's your private choice and wish..as the law now stands there could be a possibilty of your or your mate facing charges... like you say a true friend would do the action but should also be prepared take the very slim risk of being charged ..so I can't see any need to make assisted death legal.

The point of the BC ruling is that assisted death is, according to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, already legal in Canada. What is illegal is the law which presently makes it illegal. So, the Government of Canada has two options: back to the drawing board and come up with revised legislation, or, appeal the ruling. I'd be happy seeing it go to the Supreme Court.