At Last Something Like A Proper Sentence.

[WillowTheWhisp]

BTW Less used to have a go at me but I don't think he loves me anymore because we haven't crossed swords for ages.

[blazey]

I have a few reasons for against the eye for an eye thing. Oh and I was right, it did derive from a religious thing and I suppose some may argue that with science replacing religions, the death sentence also got replaced, but of course not everyone will believe religion has been replaced at all.

ANYWAY, reason number one for the death sentence being a waste of time was that the studies done to see if it really did deter offenders where never conclusive. Whilst the death penalty existed there was no significant lower crime rate. Some research actually showed a jump in the crime rate after an execution. Criminals seem to be deterred by the probability of being detected rather than the severity of their punishment if they are.

Second reason: Fatal miscarriages - Death is irreversible and the legal systems are fallible. It is inevitable that a portion of all executed people are innocent.
It also creates martyrs in the cases of politically motivated crimes - it brings valuable publicity and public may sympathise for their cause.
Some killers deserve compassion. Others become reformed characters after their convictions.

The most compelling argument is what if the person executed has commited no crime?

(These are the arguments in the back of the book stated at an earlier time 'Hamlyn History of Punishment and Torture by Karen Farrington')

[cashman]

i was under the impression you could still be hung for treason? Blazey you may know the answer to that?

[Less]

Originally Posted by cashman

i was under the impression you could still be hung for treason? Blazey you may know the answer to that?

Less knows the answer to that, no you can't that is another law that has been repealed, as I believe has piracy I think that was another one folk could be hung for until recently, (but if I'm wrong and it's still on the statutes forgive me).

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by cashman

ya took the words right out of my mouth.

You been listening to Meatloaf again cashy?

[panther]

i agree with the death penalty for child killers!!
the scum shouldnt be allowed to roam this earth, if anyone attacked my kids or killed them then i would take the matter in my own hands, i would kill to protect my kids!!, or if any scum touched them, sorry but this is how i feel about them, i wouldnt pee on them if they were on fire!!!!!!!!!

[WillowTheWhisp]

Possible miscarriage of justice and creation of martyrs are two good reasons why I don't think the death penalty is a good idea.

However, having said that I really don't understand why it isn't regarded as a deterant. The possibility of being killed would bother me more than the possibility of being locked up for a few years, fed, not have to pay bills, get a free education then get released with a possibly new identity and police protection in case my victim's family wanted a spot of revenge.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Possible miscarriage of justice and creation of martyrs are two good reasons why I don't think the death penalty is a good idea.

However, having said that I really don't understand why it isn't regarded as a deterant. The possibility of being killed would bother me more than the possibility of being locked up for a few years, fed, not have to pay bills, get a free education then get released with a possibly new identity and police protection in case my victim's family wanted a spot of revenge.

agree on those 2 points, but still in favour of death penalty, like the usa,system of degree of murder, although think it could be improved and used here if someone would have the guts to grasp the nettle. -afterthought =1dead martyr is better than 1 live terrorist.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

Less knows the answer to that, no you can't that is another law that has been repealed, as I believe has piracy I think that was another one folk could be hung for until recently, (but if I'm wrong and it's still on the statutes forgive me).

cheers Less, wasn't aware of it.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

agree on those 2 points, but still in favour of death penalty, like the usa,system of degree of murder, although think it could be improved and used here if someone would have the guts to grasp the nettle. -afterthought =1dead martyr is better than 1 live terrorist.

The American system does not seem to have had any positive effect in that country. Detroit regularly has more murders than the whole of Canada ... and probably the whole of England. What people seem to want is a little bit of death penalty for the crimes that disgust, shock, and frighten, but not in other murders ... scum killing scum for eg. Won't work. Pretty soon it will get like Texas (home of you know who) where they want to fry them all.

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by Eric

The American system does not seem to have had any positive effect in that country. Detroit regularly has more murders than the whole of Canada ... and probably the whole of England. What people seem to want is a little bit of death penalty for the crimes that disgust, shock, and frighten, but not in other murders ... scum killing scum for eg. Won't work. Pretty soon it will get like Texas (home of you know who) where they want to fry them all.

The appeal system in the USA drags it out so long that they can live quite happily knowing it will be a good few years before they fry get the needle or whatever else they use. These people will live longer in the system than on the streets and they know it. If the person is found guilty and the proof is 101% then do it in a week. There may be times when its appropriate and under certain circumstances that it has to be done but let it be with no possible after effects. The scum kill scum senario is proberly true but any life is sacrid and shouldnt be taken. There cant be one rule for one set and one for another set as seems to be where ever you go.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Less

Less knows the answer to that, no you can't that is another law that has been repealed, as I believe has piracy I think that was another one folk could be hung for until recently, (but if I'm wrong and it's still on the statutes forgive me).

I'm honestly not quite sure either, the Act that the death penalty was in was repealed in the 50's at some point but some websites that aren't official ones still say its law. I couldn't possibly make a guess on it but I reckon that it would be a possibility. I think national interest for the death of the monarch still would be the death sentence, but I don't know.

I wouldn't even know where to look for it as the act it did exist in doesnt exist anymore, so where would it possibly be? Maybe they'd create an emergency section under the terrorism act for it if the situation arose

[blazey]

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

The appeal system in the USA drags it out so long that they can live quite happily knowing it will be a good few years before they fry get the needle or whatever else they use. These people will live longer in the system than on the streets and they know it. If the person is found guilty and the proof is 101% then do it in a week. There may be times when its appropriate and under certain circumstances that it has to be done but let it be with no possible after effects. The scum kill scum senario is proberly true but any life is sacrid and shouldnt be taken. There cant be one rule for one set and one for another set as seems to be where ever you go.

Lol you just reminded me of that lad who survived the electric chair the first time round. Even though they'd badly damaged him he still had to go in the chair the next year and it worked that time

[cashman]

Originally Posted by blazey

I'm honestly not quite sure either, the Act that the death penalty was in was repealed in the 50's at some point but some websites that aren't official ones still say its law. I couldn't possibly make a guess on it but I reckon that it would be a possibility. I think national interest for the death of the monarch still would be the death sentence, but I don't know.

I wouldn't even know where to look for it as the act it did exist in doesnt exist anymore, so where would it possibly be? Maybe they'd create an emergency section under the terrorism act for it if the situation arose

so i'm still no wiser? still wondering.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

so i'm still no wiser? still wondering.

I think this is the human condition And not a bad thing.