Attack on soldier in woolwich - Page 7

cashman · 24-05-2013, 21:19

Yer wrong guinness that was not n attack on me, of that i am certain, besides even if it was,which it wasn't, i am well capable of attack meself.

gpick24 · 24-05-2013, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I was being 'fly' when I posed those questions. Of course it is about faith,belief in something that you cannot see.
We cannot see the waves that make up a TV picture, but because of the picture we know they exist.
Science does not have the answer to everything....and there are scientists who have belief and faith........but you have to make your own mind up about these things.

You missed out the rational thought in there Margaret, but that`s OK, we can all have our our own opinions and beliefs, so long as no one tries to tell me what I should believe, I won`t try to tell them. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. I do think we should all live and let live but that is not what is happening right now.

Restless · 24-05-2013, 22:52

Some disgusting posts in this thread. Goes to show this kind of event( A sad tale of brainwashing and murder ) brings out the absolute worst in people

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Originally Posted by GEaston

The problem is religion, which in all forms should be banned (for being nonesense in the first place and dangerous in the second).

Agreed.

gpick24 · 24-05-2013, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Restless

Some disgusting posts in this thread. Goes to show this kind of event( A sad tale of brainwashing and murder ) brings out the absolute worst in people

Agreed.

Looking back, my last couple of posts were irrelevent to the topic of the thread and I wish I hadn`t posted them now. Thing first, type later.

accyman · 24-05-2013, 23:16

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Has it been proved that He doesn't exist?
Can you post me a link to the evidence?

dont need a link

babies with brain cancer

you need more ?

accyman · 24-05-2013, 23:28

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Originally Posted by gpick24

Looking back, my last couple of posts were irrelevent to the topic of the thread and I wish I hadn`t posted them now. Thing first, type later.

dont worry its not illigal and we still live in a democracey i think so knock yor socks off

Margaret Pilkington · 25-05-2013, 06:34

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Originally Posted by accyman

dont need a link

babies with brain cancer

you need more ?

That isn't evidence Accyman.

Margaret Pilkington · 25-05-2013, 06:37

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Originally Posted by gpick24

You missed out the rational thought in there Margaret, but that`s OK, we can all have our our own opinions and beliefs, so long as no one tries to tell me what I should believe, I won`t try to tell them. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. I do think we should all live and let live but that is not what is happening right now.

I am in agreement with you.

jaysay · 25-05-2013, 07:45

Earlier in this thread I said that the media had made a meal of this story or words to that effect, seems I'm not the only one who felt this way. Was watching BBC news report this morning, where the public contact the BBC about their news content in bulletins, I wasn't the only one to think that if this story had been kept to a minimum without showing videos etc. these murdering scumbags would have failed, terrorism is like a fire, cut of the oxygen and it soon dies, now this story will be played over for months including the trial (pity it wasn't the SAS who attended the scene) not only making every news program but dragging up the whole sorry mess for the soldiers family, but at least the police are learning, a guy, who was a friend of one of the murderers, was arrest on terrorism charges after appearing on Newsnight last night.

kestrelx · 25-05-2013, 12:04

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Originally Posted by cashman

Agree wi every word of that, it also crosses my mind does soft touch Britain encourage em to come here in the first instance? I suspect thats the case.

These charcters were born in the UK - so are you saying we should never have let any people of Nigerian decent into this country at all? Perhaps these guys might have been driven to feel angry about this country because of it's racist undercurrent, which has been proven by the way people like Stephen Laurence was murdered.

kestrelx · 25-05-2013, 12:12

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I sometimes wonder whether such murderous incidents are set up just to provoke.

If riots happen, it will lead to further limitations on freedom.

Well Mayor Boris Johnson has said in the light of this terrible incident that the government should revive the bill in which all our e-mails and phone calls will have to be kept on record for 12months by the service providers.

BBC News - Woolwich: Boris Johnson finds Data Bill 'compelling'

As for this being set up - apparently it was mentioned on the news that one of these attackers was asked by MI5 to be a spy 6 months ago - so they knew about him!

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/mi5-tried-to-recruit-suspect

shillelagh · 25-05-2013, 12:36

I saw this on Thursday ... and went back today to take the picky ... I couldn't take it Thursday I was in a car being brought back home ..luckily it wasn't an ambulance .

Anyway I think whoever did this it was a nice idea ...

cashman · 25-05-2013, 12:41

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

These charcters were born in the UK - so are you saying we should never have let any people of Nigerian decent into this country at all? Perhaps these guys might have been driven to feel angry about this country because of it's racist undercurrent, which has been proven by the way people like Stephen Laurence was murdered.

No i'm saying quite clearly that anyone who they have irrefutable evidence about, born hear or otherwise, should be kicked out to the flag they preach under, P.D.Q. if yeh dont like that i don't give a toss, its my opinion.

If they wanna preach jihad n hatred do so in the land there loyalties lie.

DtheP47 · 25-05-2013, 13:04

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Originally Posted by cashman

Yer wrong guinness that was not n attack on me, of that i am certain, besides even if it was,which it wasn't, i am well capable of attack meself.

Roger that too MrC

MargaretR · 25-05-2013, 13:14

When, as a rational person, you try to explain to yourself why this man committed this atrocious act of violence, you can easily conclude that he must have a mental disorder.

Most people aren't aware of the extremes that security services go to in the name of 'anti terrorism'. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this man was 'got at' by our own MI5, and their attempts to recruit him had the opposite effect of that intended - they actually drove him over the edge of all reason.

The personality change seems to have happened following MI5 'interrogation' in Kenya.
When he refused to co-operate with them he made himself vulnerable because of what he knew. How convenient that he should ensure his own ruin - as any good Manchurian cadidate would.

This may seem an extreme view, but it cannot be overlooked as a possibe background to the event.

"Nusaybah also said he thought Adebolajo had undergone a 'change' following his detention by security forces on the trip.
He said Adebolajo suggested he had been physically and sexually abused while he was interrogated in the African country, and after this he became withdrawn and 'less talkative - he wasn't his usual bubbly self."

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