Bad press for Accrington. - Page 2

Restless · 18-06-2012, 21:26

yeah yeah yeah... we knew that.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

I was writing metaphorically as per the picture of Accrington the
article painted. Although it was interesting that they didn't choose picture of the fine Victorian Town Hall or Market.

Mancie · 18-06-2012, 21:37

The article is more about working families on the edge of what UNESCO class as poverty.. of course there can't be any comparision to people starving in some parts of the world and the this country... but some of the responses on here have the attitude that no familes in the UK can be classed as poor.
The usual "we had it hard in thowd days and so should this lot" snaps of a race to the bottom...to me this attitude fuels the governments obvious policiy of bringing middle to low earners down down a peg or two in economic terms.
If millions of working families in the UK are on the verge of "poverty" then it is surely a matter of concern.. and not just a chance to have a dig at so called poor people.

garinda · 18-06-2012, 22:43

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

I was writing metaphorically.

Never!

Well who on Earth would have guessed that was the case?

Oh yes, that's right.

Anyone at all, with a sense of humour.

Whoosh.

garinda · 18-06-2012, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The article is more about working families on the edge of what UNESCO class as poverty.. of course there can't be any comparision to people starving in some parts of the world and the this country... but some of the responses on here have the attitude that no familes in the UK can be classed as poor.
The usual "we had it hard in thowd days and so should this lot" snaps of a race to the bottom...to me this attitude fuels the governments obvious policiy of bringing middle to low earners down down a peg or two in economic terms.
If millions of working families in the UK are on the verge of "poverty" then it is surely a matter of concern.. and not just a chance to have a dig at so called poor people.

No.

Wrong.

No one on here as said that there's no such thing as poor families in this country.

I see people of all backgrounds who are morally impoverished.

As Anne said, poverty's relative.

If our great-grandparents could come back today, I doubt they'd think our poverty as any great hardship.

Running water, free health and education, indoor toilets.

It's all relative.

At my school I lived with the shame of only having an outdoor swimming pool, not an indoor one.

I just to accept the relative poverty, and get on with working my way out of it.

garinda · 18-06-2012, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The article is more about working families on the edge of what UNESCO class as poverty.. of course there can't be any comparision to people starving in some parts of the world and the this country... but some of the responses on here have the attitude that no familes in the UK can be classed as poor.
The usual "we had it hard in thowd days and so should this lot" snaps of a race to the bottom...to me this attitude fuels the governments obvious policiy of bringing middle to low earners down down a peg or two in economic terms.
If millions of working families in the UK are on the verge of "poverty" then it is surely a matter of concern.. and not just a chance to have a dig at so called poor people.

Do you and Wee Jimmy Krankie alternate, as to who's going to log in as who?

Mancie · 18-06-2012, 23:14

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Originally Posted by garinda

No.

Wrong.

No one on here as said that there's no such thing as poor families in this country.

I see people of all backgrounds who are morally impoverished.

As Anne said, poverty's relative.

If our great-grandparents could come back today, I doubt they'd think our poverty as any great hardship.

Running water, free health and education, indoor toilets.

It's all relative.

At my school I lived with the shame of only having an outdoor swimming pool, not an indoor one.

I just to accept the relative poverty, and get on with working my way out of it.

I think that's roughly what I said.. there's no point in comparing what was called "poor" in the past.. even in the "you've never had it so good" early 60's most households had out door toilets... it is all relative and so how should we class some families as "poor" in 2012?.. I'm talking about working families.

garinda · 19-06-2012, 05:34

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I think that's roughly what I said.. there's no point in comparing what was called "poor" in the past.. even in the "you've never had it so good" early 60's most households had out door toilets... it is all relative and so how should we class some families as "poor" in 2012?.. I'm talking about working families.

Lettie said very often she saw working families that had less, than those on benefits.

Most would agree that seems wrong, and in the long-term, unsustainable.

Three consecutive Labour governments created a non-working underclass, who were funded by an ever dwindling working class.

That is wrong, and fair on no one.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-06-2012, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The article is more about working families on the edge of what UNESCO class as poverty.. of course there can't be any comparision to people starving in some parts of the world and the this country... but some of the responses on here have the attitude that no familes in the UK can be classed as poor.
The usual "we had it hard in thowd days and so should this lot" snaps of a race to the bottom...to me this attitude fuels the governments obvious policiy of bringing middle to low earners down down a peg or two in economic terms.
If millions of working families in the UK are on the verge of "poverty" then it is surely a matter of concern.. and not just a chance to have a dig at so called poor people.

I was tempted to answer this post earlier on.......but didn't have time...sausages to prick, clinkers to poke and real life to get on with. Mancie, you see in posts something that you want to see, and always with a political stance.....you interpret them subjectively.
I haven't seen anyone who has said the kind of thing you have quoted....and when people have mentioned their impoverished past, that doesn't necessarily mean they think that people today should expereince the same....they are making a comparison to what it was like then ....and what it is like now.

I would not wish poverty on anyone....mainly because I have been impoverished......financially that is.
Poverty imprints itself on you and changes your relationship with money and acquisition of goods.

It can also be very productive....it can make you resilient, self reliant and resourceful......but this only happens when you are prepared to get out there and graft. Graft at anything. Work isn't just about money, it is about aspiration, self worth...being part of a society that is useful...rather than sitting back and expecting someone else to do the legwork.
I'm pretty sure you will find some political slant to put on this...where there is none.

There are different kinds of poverty.......and lots of them have nothing at all to do with what you have, where you live, or what you do for a living, or for that matter what political views you hold.

jaysay · 19-06-2012, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I was tempted to answer this post earlier on.......but didn't have time...sausages to prick, clinkers to poke and real life to get on with. Mancie, you see in posts something that you want to see, and always with a political stance.....you interpret them subjectively.
I haven't seen anyone who has said the kind of thing you have quoted....and when people have mentioned their impoverished past, that doesn't necessarily mean they think that people today should expereince the same....they are making a comparison to what it was like then ....and what it is like now.

I would not wish poverty on anyone....mainly because I have been impoverished......financially that is.
Poverty imprints itself on you and changes your relationship with money and acquisition of goods.

It can also be very productive....it can make you resilient, self reliant and resourceful......but this only happens when you are prepared to get out there and graft. Graft at anything. Work isn't just about money, it is about aspiration, self worth...being part of a society that is useful...rather than sitting back and expecting someone else to do the legwork.
I'm pretty sure you will find some political slant to put on this...where there is none.

There are different kinds of poverty.......and lots of them have nothing at all to do with what you have, where you live, or what you do for a living, or for that matter what political views you hold.

Straight to the point honest post that makes sense, I'll just sit back now and wait for the backlash

Claytoner40 · 19-06-2012, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I was tempted to answer this post earlier on.......but didn't have time...sausages to prick, clinkers to poke and real life to get on with. Mancie, you see in posts something that you want to see, and always with a political stance.....you interpret them subjectively.
I haven't seen anyone who has said the kind of thing you have quoted....and when people have mentioned their impoverished past, that doesn't necessarily mean they think that people today should expereince the same....they are making a comparison to what it was like then ....and what it is like now.

I would not wish poverty on anyone....mainly because I have been impoverished......financially that is.
Poverty imprints itself on you and changes your relationship with money and acquisition of goods.

It can also be very productive....it can make you resilient, self reliant and resourceful......but this only happens when you are prepared to get out there and graft. Graft at anything. Work isn't just about money, it is about aspiration, self worth...being part of a society that is useful...rather than sitting back and expecting someone else to do the legwork.
I'm pretty sure you will find some political slant to put on this...where there is none.

There are different kinds of poverty.......and lots of them have nothing at all to do with what you have, where you live, or what you do for a living, or for that matter what political views you hold.

Couldn't have put it better myself

Mancie · 19-06-2012, 23:47

Can't argue with your last post Margaret and agree with most of it.. as for me making things political I'd say of course people finding themselves in a bad situation can work hard and progress... but then again when the government give a 5% tax cut for those earning over 150k per year increasing their income by at least £120 per week and the same time making an increase of the minimum wage by 9p per hour I reckon I'm well within my rights to question the stance and intent of this government.. of course I know those who even dare face up to this Tory Government on here will take flak .

Margaret Pilkington · 20-06-2012, 06:45

My point was...when you are poor, it is up to you to do what you can to lift yourself. You focus on what will help you...regardless of what anyone else is doing...you do not stop and compare yourself or your situation to that of others - that is taking your eye of your goal.
You train to do something, you work at anything......it is useless to use your energies to rail against whatever government is in power, until you have done the first two things...once you have got yourself a job or training and attained some sort of stability...then and only then cany you afford to concentrate on attempting to alter the political stance...although having said that The political parties(all of them) seem to hold the voters in flagrant disregard.