Banning smacking in public places - Page 2

grego · 10-04-2007, 20:25

Can you imagine the abuse the shop assistants would get if they intervened, I dont think there's anything wrong with a slap on the legs to bring them in line. Years ago when I worked in the chemist on the bus station a women belted her 5 yr old daughter round the head, real hard, that knocked me sick and in my opinion was abuse. I think its a fine line, though the kids these days do need discipline no doubt about that.

grannyclaret · 10-04-2007, 20:25

My sons got smacked when they oversteped the boundries,I would not stand tantrums,,,,,but they also got love and cuddles when they deserved it too,,, they understood disiplin and grew up respecting other people.After the age of 5 they never neaded a smack,,They all grew up good honest lads that i am proud of...,not like some of todays yobos that have no respect for man nor beast

panther · 10-04-2007, 20:27

maybe they are on the stuff margaret, cuz they are certainly talking ****!!

Margaret Pilkington · 10-04-2007, 20:36

I remember many years ago being taken on holiday by my Grandparents.....I saw an ice cream van and stepped out into the road and almost got knocked down.....my gran grabbed hold of me and gave my legs a sharp slap. I never ran out into the road again...lesson learned.

Ianto.W. · 10-04-2007, 20:41

It's a hard thing to have to smack a child, but twice as hard if you have to do it a second time.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-04-2007, 22:14

It's obvious that most people here know the difference between a smack which is done out of love and caring for the child (in some cases to help keep them out of danger) and hitting with vicious intent which is child abuse. No parent who smacks a child does so with the desire to inflict physical harm. I agree with all those of you who have said that lack of discipline is the root of a lot of our problems with ignorant disobedient yobs.

lancsdave · 10-04-2007, 22:18

Interesting how many people relate the lack of smacking to a lack of discipline. I know somebody who had a physically abused childhood, yet that persons policy of non-smacking as a parent themselves has not spawned a monster.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-04-2007, 22:22

Child abuse is never acceptable and is a million miles away from a smack. Has the person you know never tapped the hand of a child who was reaching towards danger? (a fire, a plug etc)

mrskitty · 10-04-2007, 22:28

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

No parent who smacks a child does so with the desire to inflict physical harm.

Some do-its called child abuse.

Also some parents smack children to get rid of their own pent up anger.

Dave-your completely right in what you say- some people think that no smacking means no discipline-Wrong.Jack is disciplined just in a non physical way.I count to 3-when i say '1' he turns round and faces me,when i say '2' he knows his doing wrong and should stop what his doing,so far got to '3' a couple of times-each time i have either moved him from where his standing away from what his doing or taken the object his not meant to be touching off him.Still discipline just not hurting him physically.he still learns but doesnt get hurt in the process.
Once he tests of the boundaries of this method i expect he will be of an age to go on the 'time-out step'.I dont like calling it the 'naughty step'

lancsdave · 10-04-2007, 22:48

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Child abuse is never acceptable and is a million miles away from a smack. Has the person you know never tapped the hand of a child who was reaching towards danger? (a fire, a plug etc)

It could be argued that a tap could also be a long way from a full blown smack. I'm not trying to come across as saying that parents who smack are wrong, each to their own. I'm just suprised to see so many who say the lack of smacking relates to the lack of discipline we have in society today. I think a lot of people who we see as bad in society probably come from homes where physical punishment is the norm. They then take that in to the outside world.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-04-2007, 22:58

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Originally Posted by misskitty

Some do-its called child abuse.

And child abuse is a million miles away from a smack. Physical harm is categorically wrong, but no amount of rules about not smacking is going to stop child abusers who do what they do for totally different reasons - it's a bit like the difference between normal sex and rape.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

It could be argued that a tap could also be a long way from a full blown smack. I'm not trying to come across as saying that parents who smack are wrong, each to their own. I'm just suprised to see so many who say the lack of smacking relates to the lack of discipline we have in society today. I think a lot of people who we see as bad in society probably come from homes where physical punishment is the norm. They then take that in to the outside world.

I think perhaps it depends on how you define a smack Dave because to me a smack is not something that is designed to hurt a child but more of an attention grabber - sometimes a loud clap of the hands serves the same purpose, sometimes it's a tap on the back of the hand, sometimes a smack on the legs. None should cause real physical pain.

Eric · 10-04-2007, 23:10

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Child abuse is never acceptable and is a million miles away from a smack. Has the person you know never tapped the hand of a child who was reaching towards danger? (a fire, a plug etc)

True indeed ... and those who don't know the difference between correction and torture should be neutered. And I don't think that there is a "fine line" between the two. It's a bloody great wide line, painted in some bright color so that even the stupid can see it. Calling spanking torture is like saying that Attilla the Hun was a cavalryman, or that rape is love making that gets a little out of hand.

mrskitty · 11-04-2007, 00:40

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

And child abuse is a million miles away from a smack.

Some people believe smacking is child abuse.

davo69 · 11-04-2007, 07:36

child abuse comes in all forms some kids are kicked out all day long so parents can spend all day in pub or going the bingo .they are also left on there own .some only see there parents when they stagger home from the pub and then get a belt for all the rong reasons .to me thats more about child abuse than a tap on the bum or legs that is controld by love.

panther · 11-04-2007, 07:45

....i know some people like that davo69, and their kids dont give a damn what they say or do to people, i was given a slap when i was younger if I was out of line, i have turned out alright, i get respect from my kids and i give it back, my kids know when they have done wrong, not like some kids who just tell there own parents to F** off, now i wonder why they do that???

i tell my kids i love them everyday and they tell me, so i must be doing something right bringing them up!