Banning smacking in public places - Page 6

Lilly · 11-04-2007, 21:24

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Originally Posted by flashytart

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA it must run in our family lilly

hahahahahaha I suppose it must do!

WillowTheWhisp · 11-04-2007, 22:22

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

By far, far, far away, the emotional abuse was so much worse than any spanking, beating, spanking received. The negative words, statements cut downs, put downs, belittlings, haunt us all to this day. It's bizarre how much damage can be done to an innocent child.

That confirms what Margaret (I think) was saying earlier about child abuse. To have the comment from someone who was on the receiving end will hopefully help people to understand.

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Originally Posted by Lilly

You'd think they'd never had any of their own.

Even if they haven't they still manage to forget that they were children once too and probably drove their own parents up the wall.

garinda · 11-04-2007, 23:05

We were smacked as children if we were naughty, and therefore weren't very naughty very often.

I only remember being smacked twice. Once, when for some reason I was really cheeky to my beloved Nan, and the second time when I pushed my brother into the pool, fully dressed in his new school uniform.

Every time we were about to set off on holiday, my Dad used to ask us if we wanted a smack before we set off, or were we going to behave. We always behaved, or else never got caught.

steeljack · 11-04-2007, 23:55

Not really smacking , but the worst case of sadistic adult abuse on young people I can remember is when a full class of 14/15 year old boys , innocent and guilty alike, were caned in front of a full school assembly ,
It happened during the first year (62/63 ) after the amalgamation of Gt.Harwood 'top council' with Rishton 'secondary modern' to create the Norden High School , I was in the 3rd year at the time and the incident happened to one of the 4th year classes,
Evidently the incident involved someone throwing an inkwell (one of those white porcelain things ) out of an upper window , which landed and splattered at the feet of the New Headmaster and a group of School inspectors.
This caused an uproar through the school , a full school assembly was called and every boy in the class recieved a caning from the Headmaster , with all the staff standing by and doing nothing , there must have been about 20 lads who got caned , innocent and guilty all included.
I dont remember anything ever being said about it later , and the school carried on as normal , I've allways wondered how all the other teachers felt about it in later years and if the had any regrets about just standing there and doing nothing .
Evidently the girls in the class were dealt with in private (out of site) by the senior female teacher .

I doubt it, but if any of the younger members of Accy web who attend Norden and you have teachers who were about at that time you may want to ask them about it .

WillowTheWhisp · 12-04-2007, 09:35

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Originally Posted by steeljack

there must have been about 20 lads who got caned , innocent and guilty all included.

That sort of unfair attitude of teacher really annoys me. There have been times when my daughter has had detention because someone in the class did something and the teacher didn't know who was guilty so the whole class was punished. That should not be allowed. Imagine if we did that in society - don't know who a burglar is but just imprison a whole street for the crime.

West Ender · 12-04-2007, 22:21

If you're going to talk about corporal punishment in schools.........!

I was a good child at primary school, in fact I was a Goody-goody but I was caned 3 times before I reached the age of 11. Once for talking in the cloakroom, once for still singing after the whistle was blown at playtime (I hadn't heard it - because I was singing) and once, at the age of 8, for forgetting to take a pencil to the Art class. Each time it was a stinging blow on the hand with a length of bamboo. It hurt - a lot. I am now firmly convinced that one of the qualifications for teaching in the 1940s and early 50s was a hatred of children, coupled with a predilection for sadism.

At Paddock House I can only remember one incident of mass punishment. My whole class was kept in detention for an hour, after school, by the French teacher. I can't remember why. Half of the girls travelled by bus from Burnley, Nelson and Colne and had to watch the special buses depart without them. God alone knows how they made their way home or what their parents felt like when their daughters didn't arrive home when they should have.

It was a totally different world, back then. I wouldn't go back to it but, and I have to say this, it was a safer and more respecting world than we have today. Discipline was harsh, far too harsh, but it was effective.

mickmc · 13-04-2007, 08:03

Have posted on this subject months ago and any of you guys can look it up - but for those who have read it and know my views on this, I will reduce it to just the one line me old Dad said to me about children

"Give em what they need, not neccessarily what they want" !!

And he went on to bring 8 of us up alone after mum died when I was 1, and still carried on working too. - all 8 turned out fine, no real trouble with the law and have all gone on to lead fulfiled lives with the morals and respect learnt from a very wise man

and for those curious - yes he used "reasonable" corporal punishment when we damned well deserved it - and the greatest moral of his way was that we knew we deserved it !!

flashy · 13-04-2007, 08:14

right this thread is about banning smacking in public places...does that mean i cant fight in the street with my sister anymore?

grego · 13-04-2007, 08:51

Yes, thats exactly what it means Flashy!

WillowTheWhisp · 13-04-2007, 09:06

Somebody better warn that woman down Clayton..................

flashy · 13-04-2007, 09:32

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Originally Posted by grego

Yes, thats exactly what it means Flashy!

such a shame

mallard · 13-04-2007, 10:16

WELL I CAN SAY IT DID ME NO HARM GETTING A CLOUT OFF MY MUM AND DAD I THINK BANNING SMACKING IN PUBLIC PLACES IN A BIT THE KIDS WILL BE RUNING ENGLAND AND THEN WE WILL BE IN A RIGHT MESS

flashy · 13-04-2007, 10:30

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Originally Posted by mallard

WELL I CAN SAY IT DID ME NO HARM GETTING A CLOUT OFF MY MUM AND DAD I THINK BANNING SMACKING IN PUBLIC PLACES IN A BIT THE KIDS WILL BE RUNING ENGLAND AND THEN WE WILL BE IN A RIGHT MESS

exactly

panther · 13-04-2007, 13:15

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Originally Posted by mallard

WELL I CAN SAY IT DID ME NO HARM GETTING A CLOUT OFF MY MUM AND DAD I THINK BANNING SMACKING IN PUBLIC PLACES IN A BIT THE KIDS WILL BE RUNING ENGLAND AND THEN WE WILL BE IN A RIGHT MESS

most of us have been saying that all along mallard!!

Billcat · 13-04-2007, 15:03

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Originally Posted by accymel

Isn't RESPECT an earned thing & 2 way street, u give respect u get it back ???? Violence of any kind does not earn respect it gains fear & control

And often, a lasting resentment! Well said, Accymel!

My mom often used the "Just wait till your father gets home" tactic. In retrospect, pretty unfair making Dad play the enforcer!

I'm against slapping, spanking, etc. There are better ways to discipline, if you care enough about your kids to take the trouble. And the line between spanking and child abuse is anything but well-defined. Frankly, I'd never want a child fearing me.