Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

When money is withheld from wages it is named 'tax'.

Benefits are substitutes for wages.

or alimony

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

or alimony

I remember that I paid tax on the £5 a week child maintenance I received.

If they don't get you on the roundabout, they get you on the swings.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by tommiasfc

People should realize social housing is a privilege not a right.

Maybe this should be translated into all the european languages and placed at all ports of entry too.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Maybe this should be translated into all the european languages and placed at all ports of entry too.

Not quite Ma, English only should suffice & if they don't understand it they've no reason to be in the UK.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Not quite Ma, English only should suffice & if they don't understand it they've no reason to be in the UK.

sounds about right Dave

[MargaretR]

A society that makes its population choose between
housing, eating, and heating
because it says that having all three is 'scrounging' cannot regard itself as a 'civilized society'.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Not quite Ma, English only should suffice & if they don't understand it they've no reason to be in the UK.

If you put in in English(and I agree....anyone who comes to live in this country should be able to speak, read and understand some English) they will turn up expecting housing saying that they didn't understand the signs.

[susie123]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Maybe this should be translated into all the european languages and placed at all ports of entry too.

Why only European ones?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Well they look the likliest to be migrating over here sometime soon...although a lot of them are already here, selling the Big Issue - this means they can have a National Insurance number - and they count as being self employed.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I missed out the Eastern bit

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

saying that they didn't understand the signs.

Well they get turned away until they can or they pay for an interpretor.

Back on subject though, here in Germany, if the social are picking up your tab for housing they have no qualms about reducing your allowance if they consider your accommodation beyond that required for your situation, you find the extra yourself or you move, no ifs, no buts, hard & uncompromising.

[Less]

Originally Posted by tommiasfc

Interesting post but the difference is this is not a tax its a withholding of benefits. I know its bad for some people but there is a point to what they're 'trying' to do. People should realize social housing is a privilege not a right.

So people on hard times, (it could be you sometime in the future), have no right to be treated as humans according to you?
They must be privileged?
So come on smart arse explain where the privilige is in being thrown on the useless heap comes from?
I'm near to retirement age, only a few more years and i can ignore those struggling like Jay does.
Meanwhile this type of attitude is commting young people
With plenty of potential to a useless existence, I have had a full and productive life, I was given the chances, give the younger people the same chance.
By the way shame on those that actually liked your post, selfish stewards!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Under EU rules...I thought we had to allow them free movement - which means an open door policy for those from any country in the EU.
We haven't a judge or a politician in this country with the gonads to stand up to the dictators in Brussels.Recently 10 romanians came to this country expressly to steal gold......1 millions pounds worth....they were sentenced to 82 years and ten months(about 8 years each - which means they will be out in four)......the judge says they can be deported after they have served their sentence. why not deport them now? One of the convicted men said he wanted to go to prison...it would be like a holiday to him.

[MargaretR]

The open borders policy of immigration was designed to foster the discontent we are now experiencing. Multiculturism was their magic solution to abolish nationalism, which would eventually lead to world government .


When you can accept this as fact you can then explore why.
.....and realise that 1984 is nearer than you think.

[susie123]

On the subject of migrants, this document makes interesting reading:

EU migrants: entitlement to housing assistance (England) - Commons Library Standard Note - UK Parliament

If you don't want to read it all I have copied some relevant paragraphs below, and page 11 onwards deals with the question of whether migrants jump the queue.

There is no general entitlement to social housing for anyone in England, including British citizens. [Emphasis mine] It should also be noted that even those people from abroad who may be eligible for housing assistance still have to qualify for assistance in line with an authority’s housing allocation scheme, or meet the criteria under which a statutory duty arises to households that are homeless (Part 7 of the 1996 Housing Act (as amended)).

Allocation of social housing
Foreign nationals are eligible for an allocation of social housing if:
in the case of European economic area nationals, they have a relevant right to reside, for example, if they are working, self-sufficient, or have a permanent right of residence in the UK (after five years lawful residence in the UK),
in the case of other foreign nationals, they have been granted leave to enter or remain in the UK with recourse to public funds (for example, people granted refugee status or humanitarian protection).
Where foreign nationals are eligible, they would have their housing needs considered on the same basis as other applicants in accordance with the local authority's allocation scheme.