Beer tax up 42% since 2008

Margaret Pilkington · 28-10-2012, 15:29

I'm really surprised that no-one has highlighted this story.

Beer Tax Debate Heads To Parliament - Yahoo! News UK

While it doesn't affect me directly...I don't drink beer. I think it does have an impact on the economy...especially the local economy.

I'm sure that I have read that in Britain at the moment 30 pubs per week are closing because it is not profitable to sell beer.

Maybe the chancellor will be crying into his own beer when all the pubs close down.
Surely it would make better sense to cut the tax on beer sold in public houses and perhaps(I did say perhaps) raise the duty levied on beer sold in supermarkets.

A closed pub raises no revenue.....it also damages the local economy by the very fact that a local amenity is no longer available.....no work for the brewer, the publican, the barman/maid.....less electricty and gas used, no income tax paid...benefits required by those thrown out of work......it just does not make any economic sense.

Public houses are the place that most of us learn our debating skills.....make friends, meet out soulmate, have a bit of banter.

Those are my views. What do you think?

lancsdave · 28-10-2012, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Public houses are the place that most of us learn our debating skills.....make friends, meet out soulmate, have a bit of banter.

Those are my views. What do you think?

That's real world stuff Margaret. Unfortunately politicians don't usually grow up in the real world, and even if they did they soon lose touch with it when elected

shillelagh · 28-10-2012, 16:04

rising bridge inn .. now an indian, rising bridge working mens club .. a house, the great tree at acre .. is a falling down ruin after mr winfield bought it ... tankards at station steps .. an italian .. and the latest is the farmers glory .. thats being opened in a couple of weeks as an indian ...

Margaret Pilkington · 28-10-2012, 16:13

Yes, it is real world stuff.

Not content with dealing the pubs a body blow with the smoking ban..they then jump on them with these crazy tax hikes which are well above inflation.

If they really wanted to be of some use they would allow the publican to choose whether to have a smoking room inside the pub...rather than making smokers go and sit outside...and they would reduce the ridiculous tax on beer sold in pubs.

Supermarkets are selling beer at below the price of the revenue it costs. this beer is bought not just by someone who wants to have a beer in the comfor t of their home, but those young folk who drink on street corners and in public parks.
Wouldn't it make more sense to get the youngsters into the pub where they can be welcomed(but also monitored by landlords who know their business) to learn to drink sensibly.....rather than chucking as much cheap stuff down their throats.

Would that reduce the amount of nuisance value that meighbourhoods have to endure?
Would it reduce the amount of time spent by police in dealing with these nuisance situations?

And before the health fascists get on my case about the perils of demon drink, and the hazards of smoking.......it is about having the choice.
Most of us are old enough and responsible enough to make the choices.

Less · 28-10-2012, 17:13

Yes most of us are old enough and have at a younger age experienced the perils of drinking way too much.
When locals were locals however there was always someone that knew you and would see you home.
Now the young drinkers don't know the benefits of a local they gather together in places with no experienced drunks and aren't taught that drinking to excess isn't really a good idea.
I blame that new fangled horseless carriage called a taxi.

yerself · 28-10-2012, 18:17

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Originally Posted by MargaretPilkington

Wouldn't it make more sense to get the youngsters into the pub where they can be welcomed(but also monitored by landlords who know their business)

Some landlords were ahead of their time Granny Pilky, have a gander at this from a couple of years ago.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/778524-post118.html

Margaret Pilkington · 28-10-2012, 18:56

Yes he was ahead of his time.....and did you come to any harm by frequenting such a place?
I guess the answer would be 'NO'.
Anyway...who is Granny Pilky? It sure as hell isn't me.

ToffeeGuy · 29-10-2012, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Public houses are the place that most of us learn our debating skills.....make friends, meet out soulmate, have a bit of banter.

Now replaced by Accyweb.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-10-2012, 15:57

well, it might be the case when all the pubs are shut....though it is always better to have a face to face debate/discussion.

MargaretR · 29-10-2012, 16:00

In the past, revolutions were hatched during gatherings and discussions in ale houses.

I suppose governments are more comfortable now that 'subversive discussion' can be labelled 'terrorism' and tracked on the web.

ToffeeGuy · 29-10-2012, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

well, it might be the case when all the pubs are shut....though it is always better to have a face to face debate/discussion.

I prefer Accyweb. That way they can't put their hands round my neck and throttle me.

cashman · 29-10-2012, 16:09

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

I prefer Accyweb. That way they can't put their hands round my neck and throttle me.

Oer the years when people on here have met up, Nobodys ever come to any harm, n theres been far more obnoxious than you or i on here.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-10-2012, 16:11

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

I prefer Accyweb. That way they can't put their hands round my neck and throttle me.

It isn't much good for meeting your soulmate though - well, unless you go to the meets that is.

cashman · 29-10-2012, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It isn't much good for meeting your soulmate though - well, unless you go to the meets that is.

Perhaps hes a "Billy No Mates".

Chris SUI JURIS · 30-10-2012, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I'm really surprised that no-one has highlighted this story.

Beer Tax Debate Heads To Parliament - Yahoo! News UK

While it doesn't affect me directly...I don't drink beer. I think it does have an impact on the economy...especially the local economy.

I'm sure that I have read that in Britain at the moment 30 pubs per week are closing because it is not profitable to sell beer.

Maybe the chancellor will be crying into his own beer when all the pubs close down.
Surely it would make better sense to cut the tax on beer sold in public houses and perhaps(I did say perhaps) raise the duty levied on beer sold in supermarkets.

A closed pub raises no revenue.....it also damages the local economy by the very fact that a local amenity is no longer available.....no work for the brewer, the publican, the barman/maid.....less electricty and gas used, no income tax paid...benefits required by those thrown out of work......it just does not make any economic sense.

Public houses are the place that most of us learn our debating skills.....make friends, meet out soulmate, have a bit of banter.

Those are my views. What do you think?

Maybe they should ring starbucks for tax advice