Beggers

[Kitkat]

It seems to be getting a real problem, but what can we do about it? like any
nationality I'm sure there must be good and bad but we only seem to hear about the bad

[mani]

what i'm afraid of is that if htey're actually part of a larger scheme to organised gangs etc... i wouldnt b surprised that they were made to do this in exchange for stayin in the uk - obviously they dont have a clue what the EU membership etc is...

[Remedi]

And what if- just for instance of course, that there was to actually be a genuine, hungry, penniless MOTHER trying anything in her despiration to get money.
I have been particularly intetrested to read some of the comments posted here from supposed christians if other threads are anything to go by.

Do con artists exist? Yes Are there some scum bags out there? Yes of course there are. Is this everyone who finds themself begging? Of course NOT.
I cannot believe the level of blatant racism on display in many of these previous threads. Truly disgusting.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Remedi

And what if- just for instance of course, that there was to actually be a genuine, hungry, penniless MOTHER trying anything in her despiration to get money.
I have been particularly intetrested to read some of the comments posted here from supposed christians if other threads are anything to go by.

Do con artists exist? Yes Are there some scum bags out there? Yes of course there are. Is this everyone who finds themself begging? Of course NOT.
I cannot believe the level of blatant racism on display in many of these previous threads. Truly disgusting.

If I was genuinely penniless, Social Services would be the place I'd go to, not begging door to door, with a pre-written sign.

[Remedi]

Originally Posted by garinda

If I was genuinely penniless, Social Services would be the place I'd go to, not begging door to door, with a pre-written sign.

Of course and that is so easy and accessible for someone with a child to do- easy to not worry that your child will be taken into care for example and of course you would get so much help as a result. Getting back to reality this is simply not a viable option for many people.

[lettie]

It may well be the case that some of these women are not entitled to any benefits. I once looked after a lady whose husband was murdered in Pakistan. She fled the country with a small child and another on the way. She only had distant family in this country and although allowed to stay here, she was not entitled to anything. This lady did not beg, she was cared for by the community she lived in. She stayed in somebody's empty house, had no furniture and just the clothes she came here with. She did housework in return for food but despite her poverty would not entertain the idea of going back to Pakistan as she was frightened for her life.

I often wonder what became of her.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Remedi

Of course and that is so easy and accessible for someone with a child to do- easy to not worry that your child will be taken into care for example and of course you would get so much help as a result. Getting back to reality this is simply not a viable option for many people.

Can't have it both ways, people complain there are too many people in this country claiming benefits yet you are here telling us it's not a viable option for many people. Unless of course they are here illegally ??

[grego]

I wouldn't have given her any money either, I would've directed her to Maundy Grange I think. The thought of someone coming to my door begging frightens me enough to report it to the police, if she's genuine then she'll get help.

[accymel]

Most of these so called beggars have like a beggin pimp, so its not neccessarily the beggar that gets all the dosh but the people exploiting these immigrants

[Remedi]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Can't have it both ways, people complain there are too many people in this country claiming benefits yet you are here telling us it's not a viable option for many people. Unless of course they are here illegally ??

Its not a viable option for people for a multitude of reasons- fear, lack of knowledge for example not necessarily because they are here illegally.

[accymel]

Originally Posted by Remedi

Its not a viable option for people for a multitude of reasons- fear, lack of knowledge for example not necessarily because they are here illegally.

But not fearful enough to go knocking on doors or begging in public even if here legally they given ports of call on people & services that do help

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Remedi

Its not a viable option for people for a multitude of reasons- fear, lack of knowledge for example not necessarily because they are here illegally.

There's a fear of claiming benefits ?

[Remedi]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

There's a fear of claiming benefits ?

No there is a fear of engaging with governmnet departments and authority if your previous experience of authority is to avoid it at all costs because you might end up dead. I recently worked with a family of refugees from Rwanda who were in this country completely legally. They had not accessed virtually any of the support to which they were entitled nor had they reported 26 criminal offences committed against them- including the serious assault of the 14 year old son and an arson attack on their property- because they were literally terrified of any and all 'official' bodies. Part of this fear being borne of the fact that their previous involvement with the Police in their own country had resulted in the gang rape of the Mother and the 13 year old daughter of the family.

The motivation for these offences for anyone interested was of course that they were 'illegal immigrants, coming over here taking our jobs, spongeing of us as taxpayers' etc. etc. the usual ignorant racist bull****. I ultimately also worked with 6 of the offenders responsible for the majority of these offences all of whom were between 16 and 29 and none of whom could actually point to Rwanda on a map.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Remedi

No there is a fear of engaging with governmnet departments and authority if your previous experience of authority is to avoid it at all costs because you might end up dead. I recently worked with a family of refugees from Rwanda who were in this country completely legally. They had not accessed virtually any of the support to which they were entitled nor had they reported 26 criminal offences committed against them- including the serious assault of the 14 year old son and an arson attack on their property- because they were literally terrified of any and all 'official' bodies. Part of this fear being borne of the fact that their previous involvement with the Police in their own country had resulted in the gang rape of the Mother and the 13 year old daughter of the family.

The motivation for these offences for anyone interested was of course that they were 'illegal immigrants, coming over here taking our jobs, spongeing of us as taxpayers' etc. etc. the usual ignorant racist bull****. I ultimately also worked with 6 of the offenders responsible for the majority of these offences all of whom were between 16 and 29 and none of whom could actually point to Rwanda on a map.

Are you a solicitor ?

[fc:stanley]

You should of gone , there ya go love , have a pork pie and bacon butty! Hope that cheers u up