BENEFITS hmmmm

[Margaret Pilkington]

Those who live like this do not want to have to get up and out to earn a living.
They (the producers would have us believe) prefer to live off the earnings of others....or steal to get by....that seems to be all the education that is needed.

It is really about self esteem and worth.

And you cannot choose not to mix with these people... They are out and about every day in town.
Choosing not to socialise with these people is something else.

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Those who live like this do not want to have to get up and out to earn a living.
They (the producers would have us believe) prefer to live off the earnings of others....or steal to get by....that seems to be all the education that is needed.

It is really about self esteem and worth.

And you cannot choose not to mix with these people... They are out and about every day in town.
Choosing not to socialise with these people is something else.

Of course you can choose not to mix with these folk. If they sit next to you just move away if you find yourself in an establishment that only seems to cater for such folk don't use the place. I admit it would be better that these people treated us all as if we should be welcome in the places they occupy but it's not going to happen, they were brought up ignorantly selfish and will remain that way.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I don't go many places where I sit next to folk......on the bus I am with my other half.....I sit with him.
I would not go into places frequented by these people.
I don't go out much...That is one of the things about elderly people(of which I am one)we go out to shop....We go home and we lock the door.
As you get older your social world shrinks.

[Accyexplorer]

Can you believe the NHS spends 116m on junk food?

Just think what life saving operations etc 116m could buy...welcome to benefits Britain 2015 folks


NHS spent £116m on gluten-free pizza, cakes and biscuits - Telegraph

[Margaret Pilkington]

This story is a non starter. People who have coeliac disease who require these prescriptions rarely eat junk food.....because most junk food is not gluten free.
An occasional treat of a donut, a pizza or a biscuit is something which really IS a treat for them because they cannot eat foods which contain gluten.

I know that there are some gluten free products in supermarkets, but these are usually at prices far higher than normal non gluten free products.

There is much trash written about the obesity crisis..Lazy journalism most of it.
Coeliac sufferers are rarely(if ever)obese....their diet is much healthier because it contains no wheat.....most processed foods contains wheat or wheat derivatives( maltodextrin,complex starch, thickeners )
Being coeliac or even gluten intolerant is no pleasure at all.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Can you believe the NHS spends 116m on junk food?

Just think what life saving operations etc 116m could buy...welcome to benefits Britain 2015 folks


NHS spent £116m on gluten-free pizza, cakes and biscuits - Telegraph

They don't get free pizza - pizza bases, yes, cakes, no, biscuits & crackers yes, breakfast cereals, bread, flour, yes. We pay a much higher price for many food items than standard items e.g. Cornflakes almost double, Madeira cake, more than double, and the list goes on and on.
Coeliac is not a disease that is brought on by over indulgence of junk food, alcohol or the use of illegal substances, perhaps you have more experience in those areas. It is a medically diagnosed auto-immune disease and is incurable and can only be controlled through sticking rigidly to a wheat/gluten free diet - and that even applies to things like malt vinegar, chip shop chips, normal beer amongst many other things.
You, who have obviously no idea of what you are talking about - as usual, should do a some research before pasting sensationalist leads from various newspapers.
There are a number of diseases/conditions which arise due to the inability of people afflicted to control their urges, be it drugs, inappropriate diets, sex, failure to take preventative medication - however that does not apply to everyone with any of those diseases/conditions - I do not question the right of those afflicted to receive medical care - and neither should you.
You should also be aware that Coeliac disease can manifest itself at any time of life and you will not be aware that you are susceptible to it until you do - good luck if it does happen to you.

[MargaretR]

"pizza bases, yes, biscuits & crackers yes, breakfast cereals, bread, flour"

It is possible to survive healthily without eating any of these.
Rice cakes are a reasonable substitute for crackers.
I never eat pizza, biscuits or breakfast cereals (other than porridge- no gluten there)
I do nibble a few bread sticks (grissini) now and again but I don't ever buy bread or flour.
I am not coeliac but have noticed that those gluten items cause my IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) to flare up so I avoid them.
I say that avoidance. rather than the NHS substitution of these foods, is a perfectly reasonable option.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Margaret, there is a huge difference between your choice to avoid the foods that cause your IBS to flare up and coeliac disease.
And yes it is possible to substitute other foods, but it is not an easy way to live.
Many pre prepared foods have substances in them which are derived from wheat, or could be contaminated by wheat products.
And while you may not mind having porridge and rice cake I stead of bread and cornflakes, others may not enjoy such foods.
I hate anything which has oats in it and although I don't mind rice cakes.....it is not a pleasurable way to live when you have to scrutinise all labels for suspect ingredients because if you eat them they make you ill.
I would prefer my taxes to be used for people who need this help, than being given to drug addicts or alcoholics.....now that may be very un PC but I am being totally honest.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

"pizza bases, yes, biscuits & crackers yes, breakfast cereals, bread, flour"

It is possible to survive healthily without eating any of these.
Rice cakes are a reasonable substitute for crackers.
I never eat pizza, biscuits or breakfast cereals (other than porridge- no gluten there)
I do nibble a few bread sticks (grissini) now and again but I don't ever buy bread or flour.
I am not coeliac but have noticed that those gluten items cause my IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) to flare up so I avoid them.
I say that avoidance. rather than the NHS substitution of these foods, is a perfectly reasonable option.

Porridge? - made from oats and therefore contain gluten as do bread sticks, as you are not a Coeliac you should refrain from pontificating on the subject - you choose your way of life, don't attempt to inflict it upon others.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Margaret, there is a huge difference between your choice to avoid the foods that cause your IBS to flare up and coeliac disease.
And yes it is possible to substitute other foods, but it is not an easy way to live.
Many pre prepared foods have substances in them which are derived from wheat, or could be contaminated by wheat products.
And while you may not mind having porridge and rice cake I stead of bread and cornflakes, others may not enjoy such foods.
I hate anything which has oats in it and although I don't mind rice cakes.....it is not a pleasurable way to live when you have to scrutinise all labels for suspect ingredients because if you eat them they make you ill.
I would prefer my taxes to be used for people who need this help, than being given to drug addicts or alcoholics.....now that may be very un PC but I am being totally honest.

Marion (littlepom), says thank you for your understanding and support

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

They don't get free pizza - pizza bases, yes, cakes, no, biscuits & crackers yes, breakfast cereals, bread, flour, yes. We pay a much higher price for many food items than standard items e.g. Cornflakes almost double, Madeira cake, more than double, and the list goes on and on.
Coeliac is not a disease that is brought on by over indulgence of junk food, alcohol or the use of illegal substances, perhaps you have more experience in those areas. It is a medically diagnosed auto-immune disease and is incurable and can only be controlled through sticking rigidly to a wheat/gluten free diet - and that even applies to things like malt vinegar, chip shop chips, normal beer amongst many other things.
You, who have obviously no idea of what you are talking about - as usual, should do a some research before pasting sensationalist leads from various newspapers.
There are a number of diseases/conditions which arise due to the inability of people afflicted to control their urges, be it drugs, inappropriate diets, sex, failure to take preventative medication - however that does not apply to everyone with any of those diseases/conditions - I do not question the right of those afflicted to receive medical care - and neither should you.
You should also be aware that Coeliac disease can manifest itself at any time of life and you will not be aware that you are susceptible to it until you do - good luck if it does happen to you.

Evening Enoch....What can i say,you kinda missed my point (as usual)

Point being, some of these patients are helping to bleed our country dry and that money could be better spent on folk who need it.


"The NHS has been accused of spending nearly £116 million on gluten-free food in one year, including biscuits, doughnuts, pizzas and burger mixes.

The health service wrote 211,200 prescriptions for low protein or gluten-free food last year, according to figures from the Health and Social Care Information Centre.

The figure, twice as much as a decade ago, does not even include handling fees, while can reach up to £40 per order, the Daily Mail reported.

Gluten-free food is currently prescribed to coeliac sufferers at the discretion of doctors, but includes items many would consider junk food such as jelly, cake mix and a variety of biscuits.

One GP called the measures "irresponsible", claiming some patients were providing a "shopping list" to feed their whole families."

Now, if this trash is to be believed, 'some patients' are getting their shopping for free on prescription and feeding their families.One woman was even getting flour 'in bulk' and running a cake business.
Obviously,I can understand a limited amount of benefits to help people with allergies etc (I don't have a issue with that) But when the NHS is dishing out flour 'in bulk' so much that she can set up a cake business and make money through it....i think thats taking the mick....hence "welcome to benefits Britain 2015"

I kid myself believing the NHS run by good folk who care when in fact its run by businessmen and their underdogs who know sod all about real care.

[Margaret Pilkington]

These people have a genuine need...they are not bleeding the NHS dry.
If someone is getting enough of the flour to set up a cake business then that is the fault of the prescriber and I am pretty sure that this would be spotted and looked into.
Since when has Jelly been junk food...and if you are coeliac then you do not eat pizza, buns or any of these products on the same basis as you or I would because you have to make them yourself...this involves planning and effort...unlike going into Greggs for a donut or a sausage roll.

As I said in a previous post those unfortunate people who are afflicted with coeliac disease are not fuelling the obesity crisis......in all my career(which spanned 30 years) i never saw an overweight coeliac patient.
Again Jason you are making a thread out of a contentious headline that if looked at properly would warrant no interest at all.

It would be better to complain about those who misuse other NHS services...drug addicts, alcoholics and those who get treatment free when they should be paying for it...and skip the country before they can be made to pay.

The patients who need low protein supplements need them because they are probably suffering from kidney problems...maybe even waiting kidney transplant

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

These people have a genuine need...they are not bleeding the NHS dry.
If someone is getting enough of the flour to set up a cake business then that is the fault of the prescriber and I am pretty sure that this would be spotted and looked into.
Since when has Jelly been junk food...and if you are coeliac then you do not eat pizza, buns or any of these products on the same basis as you or I would because you have to make them yourself...this involves planning and effort...unlike going into Greggs for a donut or a sausage roll.

As I said in a previous post those unfortunate people who are afflicted with coeliac disease are not fuelling the obesity crisis......in all my career(which spanned 30 years) i never saw an overweight coeliac patient.
Again Jason you are making a thread out of a contentious headline that if looked at properly would warrant no interest at all.

It would be better to complain about those who misuse other NHS services...drug addicts, alcoholics and those who get treatment free when they should be paying for it...and skip the country before they can be made to pay.

The patients who need low protein supplements need them because they are probably suffering from kidney problems...maybe even waiting kidney transplant

Reminds me of the owd saying " Yeh can't see the wood fer the trees" Planks are wood as i recall.

[Barrie Yates]

Perhaps our resident cretin has forgotten that there is a charge for prescription items - around £8.00 for each item - unless you are over 60, receiving certain benefits or are under 16.
Jellies are not on the list, nor are doughnuts, but who would pay £8.00 for a jelly, bread certainly is and is far more expensive - you can see it in Tesco at over 3 times the cost of a Warburton's Toastie, the problem with getting bread on prescription is that the supplier will only supply 8 loafs, they don't have a long Use By Date and so one needs another freezer for them. Flour is supplied in 1 kg bags, not particularly good so we buy from Lakeland, not cheap but better quality. If people are in fact getting enough flour to set up a bakery business then the fault lies with the GP who has obviously over prescribed.
A discrete preparation area must be kept clear of contamination - even one crumb can precipitate an incident - I wouldn't wish one of those even on you.
You yourself admit that this whole story is trash - if that is your belief then why promulgate it?
I bought a GF Madeira Cake at the weekend - 450gm £3.00, jellies were standard price - Rowntree Jellies are naturally gluten free, and the strawberries & blueberries were from the market.
Perhaps you should watch BBC Breakfast at 0740 tomorrow when the CEO of the Coeliac Society will respond to the newspaper stories.

[Accyexplorer]

The "resident cretin" has had his whinge and is having a better day....


...The resident "troll" however would like to add that nowadays most supermarket chains offer a good variety of 'reasonably priced' gluten-free products.
Perhaps,years ago,when gluten-free food was difficult and expensive to source, coeliac patients could expect to receive a prescription for certain foodstuffs. Now, with increased availability and much lower costs it seems appropriate to reduce the number of gluten-free prescription units available and weed out those who are taking the NHS for a ride.
This reflects the 'facts' that gluten-free products are now widely available and that limited NHS resources must be used prudently.
It also reflects the 'fact' that a coeliac patient can enjoy a well-balanced diet and replace bread and pasta with other naturally gluten-free products such as potatoes, rice and some noodles.
For more info on what you can and can't eat please visit:-
List of Foods That Contain Gluten