Bin Laden..... Killed in Pakistan

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by cashman

I always find it very strange,that some people seem more concerned about a scumbag terrorist,than those who have lost family n friends through there acts,

That viewpoint is fine
....when you know who is the terrorist

If you are more comfortable believing all you are told - fine.

I am not easily convinced because I think we are misled by the motives (we are told) are behind terrorism.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by jaysay

When we are dealing with these people its an all new ball game, people like when bin laden can influence young men to strap explosives to their own body then walk into a crowded place and blow themselves up, along with innocent bystanders with the promise of paradise and exorbitant supply of Virgins, that's a frightening concept, These people are powerful in a way that we can't begin to perceive, so when one is taken out in this way its great to hear

No John, it isn't great to hear, because where he was, thousands will follow.....and that is dangerous.
It would have been better for him to be captured and spend time in some prison somewhere.......alive he was a figurehead...dead,(and having died in such circumstances) he is a martyr.

As you so rightly observe, we cannot begin to understand the mentality of these young men...except to say that their belief is what drives them....they are brainwashed from being toddlers.

[cashman]

Bin Laden or not a nutter is a nutter, dont honestly think his life or death makes one jot of difference to these clowns, sure another act will be commited somewhere n they will use this fact as n excuse, but i don't honestly think they would be good ole boys if he hadn't been topped.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

That viewpoint is fine
....when you know who is the terrorist

If you are more comfortable believing all you are told - fine.

I am not easily convinced because I think we are misled by the motives (we are told) are behind terrorism.

Margaret with the best will in the world and with the greatest respect, I'd hate to live in yours

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Margaret with the best will in the world and with the greatest respect, I'd hate to live in yours

I think you mean 'I couldn't cope with doubt' - sad for you (from my viewpoint)

[cashman]

heard one report saying this was the reason Wills n Kate cancelled the honeymoon, that could be possible as they would tell the royals n not the peasants.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I think you mean 'I couldn't cope with doubt' - sad for you (from my viewpoint)

No Margaret I could go through life thinking everything was a conspiracy, and that everything is meant to bullshine us, I feel I've been around long enough to work out what is right and wrong and don't need to look round every corner with trepidation, And I also think I'm old enough to take with a pinch of salt is served up daily in the media, that is why I cancelled my papers a longtime ago and only watch BBC Breakfast (and not even that when things like this happen) but you have your opinions fair enough, sorry I don't share them

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

heard one report saying this was the reason Wills n Kate cancelled the honeymoon, that could be possible as they would tell the royals n not the peasants.

Surely cashy that could never happen, could it!!!!!!

[MargaretR]

I have found an interesting analogy claimed between Bin Laden and Goldstein, ( in Orwell's 1984)

Emmanuel Goldstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -

Goldstein is the Osama Bin Laden figure in Orwell’s novel, an extremely elusive person who is never seen, never captured, but believed by the leadership of Oceania to be still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters. Since Goldstein is "never captured, the battle against his crimes, treacheries, sabotages must never end."

The legal scholar Cass Sunstein in his 2009 book Worst-Case Scenarios, coins what he deems the "Goldstein Effect", describing it as "the ability to intensify public concern by giving a definite face to the adversary, specifying a human source of the underlying threat." According to Sunstein, since the U.S. War on Terror has so heavily associated terrorism with Osama Bin Laden, the outrage has intensified in similar ways as displayed in 1984.

So the bogeyman is dead - who/what will replace him?
I don't like to admit this but I feel it will be something/someone far worse.

....but don't be afraid, because that is what is required of you

[cashman]

I couldn't honestly give a rats margaret, whatever happens, happens, i can do sod all about it. so why worry.

[SamF]

Not a conspiracy theorist but my first reaction to this was there is going to be another attack - wounded beast and all that.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by SamF

Not a conspiracy theorist but my first reaction to this was there is going to be another attack - wounded beast and all that.

There is always another attack round the corner Sam they don't go away, its known that lots of terrorist treats are stopped before they're put into action, its a fact of life sadly

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by cashman

I couldn't honestly give a rats margaret, whatever happens, happens, i can do sod all about it. so why worry.

Not worrying.....just observing
I gained this inner calm when I lost any 'fear of death'. That fear is the ultimate fear for most people.

[jaysay]

There's been a special news broadcast on BBC1 at 11-30 to tell us Bin Laden is dead!!!!!!!!, incidental the exact same broadcast was being transmitted simultaneously on the BBC News Channel, we're already into overkill

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Not worrying.....just observing
I gained this inner calm when I lost any 'fear of death'. That fear is the ultimate fear for most people.

Well not for me either Margaret, been there done it got the T-shirt