Blanket Smoking Ban - Page 7

Mick · 15-02-2006, 22:02

All the tax they are going to loose on people smoking less has got to come from somewhere so whats going to go up more on petrol,road tax,and booze.
and when they bring this law in they will hammer the tax on fags and tabacco

garinda · 15-02-2006, 22:48

W.H.O. projections of Healthy Life Expectancy (source World Health Organisation).

Japan 75.0 (years)
France 72.0
UK 70.6
USA 69.3
Brazil 59.8
Philippines 59.3
Pakistan 53.3
Iraq 50.1
Ethiopia 41.2
Mozambique 36.9
Zimbabwe 33.6

France is looking the more and more civilised option.

Not only can you fill your arteries with loads of calorfically laden creamy sauces, washed down by bottle after bottle of wine, whilst smoking everywhere from restaurants to your health spa. Happy in the knowledge that you'll live longer than your nannied cousins across the English Channel, by on average a year and a half.

Neil · 16-02-2006, 00:25

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France is looking the more and more civilised option.

Wash your mouth out with soap!!

Neil · 16-02-2006, 00:28

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But I do work in the oldest school in the country, which is also one of the top schools.

But it's in Blackburn

Doug · 16-02-2006, 00:30

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Originally Posted by garinda

France is looking the more and more civilised option.

Would you like a ticket..........

Neil · 16-02-2006, 00:30

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Originally Posted by Phylum

Well, the figures, which surprise me are:

Smoking, cost to NHS each year: 1.7 billion
Tax gained from smokers : 9 billion

Don't worry there will always be weak willed people who will fall foul of the evil weed and keep out income tax down.

Phylum · 16-02-2006, 00:32

Ooops, second oldest. It's in Cambridgeshire. The oldest is in Kent.

Neil · 16-02-2006, 00:34

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Would you like a ticket..........

How much is a ride to France on an exocet?

jelly baby · 16-02-2006, 00:55

As a non smoker of 9 months , I am all for the ban on smoking in public places. Only since giving up the weed, have I noticed how my clothes stink when I come in from the pub. It's costing me more in Persil than I spent on fags !!!!
Jelly baby

shillelagh · 16-02-2006, 01:03

Ok here goes. I smoke and i went to Dublin last year for the weekend. I preferred the pubs being non smoking. If you wanted a ciggie you went outside and some of the pubs had smoking areas with patio heaters and parasols outside well one had a smoking area on the roof! I didnt smoke as many cigs because i went in January and it was flipping freezing! When i was there though i was talking to some people and they told me that the smoking ban was policed in Dublin but if you went out into the countryside and the little pubs and bars you could still smoke in them well the ones that were still open that is. A lot of pubs and bars went under because of the smoking ban. Wonder if thats going to happen here? I've been out tonight though and i couldnt smoke in the pub i was in there was notices on the bar no smoking and so i went outside.

lettie · 16-02-2006, 10:27

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Deaths caused by smoking are five times higher than the 22,833 deaths arising from: traffic accidents (3,439); poisoning and overdose (881); alcoholic liver disease (5,121); other accidental deaths (8,579); murder and manslaughter (513); suicide (4,066); and HIV infection (234) in the UK during 2002. 7 World-wide, almost 5 million die prematurely each year as a result of smoking. Based on current trends, this will rise to 10 million within 20 years. [8]

Curtesy ASH

I know, I know........... You all knew that I would comment on this one but it appears that ASH have got this totally wrong.

The figure of 234 deaths is from 2001 and not 2002. It is printed in the 2002 tables but HIV surveillance always applies to the cases and deaths from the year before, therefore it applies to 2001. If you check the SOPHID website you will see that this is correct.

Secondly.... People do not die from HIV, they die from AIDS. I know that this is being picky, but I hate it when so-called educated organisations, who spout statistics cannot be bothered to get their facts right. AIDS is a set of defined clinical illnesses which are caused by HIV infection. When people develop AIDS, they will die. They can live a near normal lifespan these days with HIV. HIV does not kill until it develops into AIDS. Therefore the 234 people who died in 2001 died from AIDS and not HIV.

Yes......... I am nit picking, but this is quickly becoming my specialist subject due to impending dissertation. I have all of these tables since 2000 on hard copy if anybody would like to see them...

Phylum · 16-02-2006, 10:33

Yes, I knew thse results were a little off, but it was the best I could do at the time. And yes, of course people do not die of HIV.

Good luck with the dissertation, thankfully I am finished with all that.

jambutty · 16-02-2006, 15:16

So the anti smoking brigade has finally got their way and smoking is to be banned in all enclosed public spaces although prisons and care homes will be exempt from the ban.

By definition an enclosed public place is a building where the general public can enter either voluntarily or by invitation. The thought occurs that if someone comes into my flat to visit me does that make it a public place? If I give someone a lift in my car does that make it an enclosed public space? Will smoking be banned? It is MY flat and MY car and if a visitor tried to make me stop smoking in their presence then they know where the door is.

In years to come when the incidence of asthma in the young has not decreased they can target the true villains – the internal combustion engine and industry.

This smoking in enclosed public places is the thin end of the “control the public wedge” together with ID cards and the advocates of it will rue the day they forced it through.

pendy · 16-02-2006, 15:31

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less cigrettes been smoked = less revenue for the government = higher tax on petrol

Higher tax on EVERYTHING - it takes a lot of petrol to replace £24 million a day.

Len · 16-02-2006, 19:27

I feel sorry for the landlords and employers who are now going to have to be the ones that police the new law. If they don’t stop people from lighting-up on their premises they could be in for a hefty fine them selves. It will be the landlords and employers who will have to put-up with the agro.

The other day our gaffer told one of our firm’s smokers that if he got caught smoking on his premises not only would the smoker get a fine, the employer would be fined a few hundred quid as well for permitting it. So obviously he is now concerned about the possiblity of one day someone turning up and catching someone smoking and issuing big fines. So quite rightly he will stop the smoking

You have to laugh thou in this particular case. Hehe the nature of our work means that we, more often than not have fumes all around us most of the day, it can not be helped. Being in the fabrication business means you have people welding, flame cutting, grinding, sanding etc and we even have our own paint shop with its own oven. All these things produce nasty fumes, even though you can’t often see the fumes you can smell and taste them. We do have adequate ventilation in a fashion but to be honest you are never going to be able to remove all the fumes, it’s just impossible. There are heath and safety regulations in place that cover these sorts of things and I’m sure the health and safety people have the power to issue fines or even shut companies down if they are caught breaking the regulations but no one ever comes to check and as a result, no ones really worried.
But if one person potentially lights a cigarette in this environment and produces a bit of smoke for five minutes then everyone is worried.

I think the blanket ban is a good idea really. It will take a bit of time to get used too but I’m sure we will. If anything, it will cut down the amount of fags that I smoke.