Born again Virgins

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by blazey

Some people still do think it is cool to smoke. I have the occasional cigarette when I'm in the mood but generally I think it is a bad habit. I'd hate to be smoking like it was a necessary part of my daily routine.

The next time you think about having a ciggy blazey, think again and then don't

[Gordon Booth]

Think how much money the state would have saved if you hadn't given up smoking,jaysay!And I could have come over and got my hands on those two bottles of Spey.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

But it is about medical issues, but medical issues that are affected by racial and cultural problems...the two cannot be divorced, well, not if you want a meaningful debate about the issues involved.

Well to me Margaret its not a medical issue, its a needless medical procedure brought about through racial bigotry, and the oppression of women who are treated like second class citizens who have to kowtow to their male counterparts

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kikine

I agree it shouldn't be done on the NHS but can understand the need for these women to have it done. Before we know it we will be funding female circumcision which is still practised in many countries on young girls.

I was wondering if that would crop up, there was a program on telly bout that a few years ago, I think its illegal even in the far east. I too can understand the need for these women to have this done, but not on the NHS

[kikine]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I was wondering if that would crop up, there was a program on telly bout that a few years ago, I think its illegal even in the far east. I too can understand the need for these women to have this done, but not on the NHS

It may be illegal but it is still widely practised in the backwoods, Egypt and Yemen Somalia to name but a few. There are also many in the UK at risk from this horrific practise. These women are mutilated from as young as 3 years old.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kikine

It may be illegal but it is still widely practised in the backwoods, Egypt and Yemen Somalia to name but a few. There are also many in the UK at risk from this horrific practise. These women are mutilated from as young as 3 years old.

And its usually the older women that do it too

[Restless]

Another example of how crazy religion can be.
What if the muslim woman was actually a virgin and she accidentally ruptured her hymen, say perhaps during sports like bicycling, horseback riding, gymnastics etc??

[Margaret Pilkington]

Restless, when did you last see a muslim woman riding either a bike or a horse?
All of the pursuits you mention are not permitted in the muslim religion.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And you think that that tax on the tobacco goes to pay for treatment of all smoking related diseases Less?

No I don't, but I also don't think attacking smokers, non of whom that I know go around deliberately breaking Muslim Women's Hymens is relevent to the argument.



It is stupid to compare the two, just as it would be stupid if someone was to say, money could go towards this needless operation by depriving Cancer patients of life saving treatment, because the two things are completely different.

[Restless]

haha got me there. I didn't know they wasn't allowed to ride horses

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Restless, when did you last see a muslim woman riding either a bike or a horse?
All of the pursuits you mention are not permitted in the muslim religion.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

No I don't, but I also don't think attacking smokers, non of whom that I know go around deliberately breaking Muslim Women's Hymens is relevent to the argument.



It is stupid to compare the two, just as it would be stupid if someone was to say, money could go towards this needless operation by depriving Cancer patients of life saving treatment, because the two things are completely different.

They may be different but the money still comes from the already overstretched purse

[Acrylic-bob]

An operation to fool your new husband and his family into thinking that you are as pure as the driven snow? Thats a good start to married life. How deeply moral, robustly ethical and ridiculously holier-than-thou.

The self-imposed limitations of religious minorities are just that; SELF-IMPOSED. I cannot see that they have any reasonable argument why the rest of us should either recognise or respect them, much less fund them!

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by jaysay

They may be different but the money still comes from the already overstretched purse

I do think the use of the word overstretched in this instance is a bit below the belt.

However as these Gynae Units are up and running and already being paid for I see no reason If thy are going through a slack period why this simple procedure should not be allowed.If only to keep their hands in so to speak.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Benipete

I do think the use of the word overstretched in this instance is a bit below the belt.

However as these Gynae Units are up and running and already being paid for I see no reason If thy are going through a slack period why this simple procedure should not be allowed.If only to keep their hands in so to speak.

Although it is almost 8 years since I retired, I am fairly sure that no Gynea unit ever has much of a slack period......as said before this is a very small number of procedures when taking the total female population into consideration.

And Less, you are spot on with your post.(number 54 for anyone who isn't sure which post I mean)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Benipete

I do think the use of the word overstretched in this instance is a bit below the belt.

However as these Gynae Units are up and running and already being paid for I see no reason If thy are going through a slack period why this simple procedure should not be allowed.If only to keep their hands in so to speak.

Well they can keep their hand in so long as we ain't paying for it