bouncers

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Is it not time to state the obvious? If this young man and his mates had only beheaved themselves in a proper and civilised manner then what subsequently happened would not have been neccessary - including the posting of this thread.

100% behind you Tealeaf, if you do no present yourself in this type of situation, you can not get hurt!

[glasgow guy]

I worked as a 'bouncer' or doorman as i preferred to called for 5 years in glasgow city centre - I was officially licenced by the council and was courtious to every one that came into the pub/club, I dont really like telling folk I used to do it as you get stereo typed as a knuckle dragging gorilla with no brains...that is something I am not...far from it... decent education, worked all my days, never got in trouble with the poice..etc ..I only done as I was young - 21 at the time and saw it as a way to earn some extra cash, meet some females and get a free drink or 2...basically paid to go clubbing..but there were some places who seemed to have these stereo type guys on the door and all they did was look for a fight...but the flip side is that i also worked in places where the doorman ran the other way when a bit of trouble started and left me standing on my own...which is wrong but all in all I was lucky enough to work with genuine guys who treated folk with respect but also handled the situation correctly should one have arisen...in all the scuffles I did get involved in not once did I lift a finger out of place in regards to the other person/clubber..some common sense and a level head is required in that type of situation but alas some guys & girls who also work the door dont have that going for them...it is unfortunate what happened to your son and if it were me I wouldnt go back as this type of doorman will always be about...you live and learn but dont tar everyone with the same brush please....

[jackyalex]

[quote=jaysay;342064 They used to give their staff training and their idea was use your mouth not your fists, use your fist only has a last resort and it worked for me. [/quote]


but i thought that using your fists was assult,not even the police are aloud to use their fists,so why doormen,is in it self defence only?

[mani]

Sorry to hear about the incident first of all - i'd like to add a few things to the above

firstly not all doormen have low iq's i have a first class degree with honours in business and finance and last i checked i had a very respectable IQ.

2ndly - with any job u get ur good staff u get ur bad staff. not just bouncers but everything from bank ppl to the police. soem will go outta their way to help u others the opposite.

3rdly - what u have to understand is that doormen get told its a fight on the dance floor. upon arriving, as is their job they have to stop any fight and remove the culprits. having worked in a club nr soem barracks myself hte club had a policy of no military personnel for the simple reason of the percentage that wud b involved in fights. so hte doormen get there they see a group of guys in a arguement/fight they see ur sons mate most likely still fired up and automatically assume ur son is one of the guys involved. so upto that point - grabbing him and evicting him from the premises would've been the thing to do.

as for their reaction of going 4 on one its hard to say. i'm not saying ur son is a trouble maker nor am i saying he's a liar but what happened when the doormen got there only the ppl there know for sure.

if you do feel the need then as accyjay said there are procedures for this and i do have to say the SIA are very good at following thru with complaints *not that i've been in any* they will suspend the badges of these guys and revoke them if need be. the fines are hefty for any club/bar employin non-badged staff so it will b the bad apples taken outta the barrel so to speak.

what will also help u is for u to get in touch with that area's pubwatch scheme as they do keep records or can put u in touch wiht ppl who will know how troublesome a venue ur son did go to and how the doormen behave in other cases and if they are heavy handed the police can tell them to change their doorteam

[Mancie]

I was just wondering when doormen were made to sign up for the legal restrictions? and when "cab" drivers were made to apply for legallity.. was this a labour goverment that made these changes? ..just a poke at the people that seem to see any new laws made by this goverment are a restriction on human rights..

[AccyJay]

Originally Posted by Mancie

I was just wondering when doormen were made to sign up for the legal restrictions? and when "cab" drivers were made to apply for legallity.. was this a labour goverment that made these changes? ..just a poke at the people that seem to see any new laws made by this goverment are a restriction on human rights..

On the doorstaff side of things, the law came into effect on 1st April 2003. It was implemented at various stages over the next couple of years (Lancashire was late 2004). I can understand the human rights element, because it was forced upon all doorstaff. If you didn't get the new qualification, then you don't work. How many other professions would have allowed this? One day you're prefectly legal (local authority license), then the next day you're not.

Might i also add that nearly all doorstaff have to pay for their license themselves.

Part 1 training course = £75 + VAT (£88)
Part 2 training course = £75 + VAT (£88)
License cost is £190 (non re-fundable, i.e. if your application is rejected, you don't get your money back).

Grand total = £366

[cherokee]

Originally Posted by mani

Sorry to hear about the incident first of all - i'd like to add a few things to the above

firstly not all doormen have low iq's i have a first class degree with honours in business and finance and last i checked i had a very respectable IQ.

2ndly - with any job u get ur good staff u get ur bad staff. not just bouncers but everything from bank ppl to the police. soem will go outta their way to help u others the opposite.

3rdly - what u have to understand is that doormen get told its a fight on the dance floor. upon arriving, as is their job they have to stop any fight and remove the culprits. having worked in a club nr soem barracks myself hte club had a policy of no military personnel for the simple reason of the percentage that wud b involved in fights. so hte doormen get there they see a group of guys in a arguement/fight they see ur sons mate most likely still fired up and automatically assume ur son is one of the guys involved. so upto that point - grabbing him and evicting him from the premises would've been the thing to do.

as for their reaction of going 4 on one its hard to say. i'm not saying ur son is a trouble maker nor am i saying he's a liar but what happened when the doormen got there only the ppl there know for sure.

if you do feel the need then as accyjay said there are procedures for this and i do have to say the SIA are very good at following thru with complaints *not that i've been in any* they will suspend the badges of these guys and revoke them if need be. the fines are hefty for any club/bar employin non-badged staff so it will b the bad apples taken outta the barrel so to speak.

what will also help u is for u to get in touch with that area's pubwatch scheme as they do keep records or can put u in touch wiht ppl who will know how troublesome a venue ur son did go to and how the doormen behave in other cases and if they are heavy handed the police can tell them to change their doorteam

Thanks for that mani and the procedures that both yourself and accyjay have mentioned are being followed , agree with the squaddie thing as i know they can be a pain, believe me, but as you say you get your good and bad in any job

[cashman]

in response to manis= not all doormen have low iqs, i can,t remember reading/writing anywhere that said all had! and you used to be one mani?