Boy, 11, is shot dead in car park - Page 5

BOB · 24-08-2007, 13:41

on the same theme a young 20 year old girl attacked last month in Bacup has just died two young people aged 15 and 17 are remanded in custody for the attack which is now murder

Wynonie Harris · 24-08-2007, 13:46

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Originally Posted by BOB

on the same theme a young 20 year old girl attacked last month in Bacup has just died two young people aged 15 and 17 are remanded in custody for the attack which is now murder

...it would appear because she was a goth. Five teenagers have been charged.

Meanwhile a passer-by has been stabbed in the back by two teenagers in Gorton, with no provocation.

Just seems to get worse and worse.

Margaret Pilkington · 24-08-2007, 13:46

I think it is all down to discipline...start young, set boundaries, be firm.
No-one knows their children like the parents. Good role models help too. Teach respect from a very early age, respect for property, their own and other peoples, respect for other people, respect for other ideas. Expalin that respect grows out of respect.

My heart goes out to the parents of this poor boy, but also the parents of the children(for that is what they are) who are indicted for this crime.

It seems like gun crime and gang warfare are the 'road accidents' that killed children in the fifties and sixties. ( what I mean by that, is that children in the fifties and sixties were casualties of road accidents...today children are more likely to be killed in a drive-by shooting or gang warfare).

West Ender · 24-08-2007, 13:51

You can't put it all down to lack of gang control. One of the largest contributors to the violence we see today is, in my opinion, the general decline of morals in Society. We live in an age where "anything goes" and there is no protection for the young against the reporting, depiction and glorification of sex and, particularly, violence. It's there in the media, in so-called entertainment, everywhere.

I wouldn't advocate a completely restrictive, completely censored approach but there should be boundaries and they should be adhered to by force of Law. The killers of James Bulger were, at the time, reported to have watched the film "Child's Play", with its attendant violence, the night before the murder. That's no excuse for what they did but it is, possibly, a factor. Turn on the TV and you can always find violence, in some form or another, shown as entertainment and treated as a normal part of life. Even the music industry is part of it, some Rap lyrics are devoted to the violent treatment and denigration of women in particular.

More and more people of all ages, particularly those of more restricted intellect, have come to regard violence and arrogance as the appropriate way of life and, until the country as a whole comes to its senses and returns to some enforcement of moral standards, it will only get worse.

SPUGGIE J · 24-08-2007, 14:27

Add to that the 10 year old slashed when he confronted a knife wielding 7 year old lad . So in reality violent kids are possibly getting younger and arming themselves. So where in hell are they picking these ideas and attitudes of behavior to be doing this? Ok violence on the telly, computer games, games consoles, their peers even siblings.

Comments from a rag interviews;

*Youngsters need to be educated from an early age on carrying knives.

*Alcohol abuse among youths is fueling violence and acts as a way to drug abuse

*Using a gun is a cowards way, but sadly, lots of kids carry them.

*Poor parenting and the lack of any real deterrent are largely to blame for this rise in youth gun crime

*Recent horrific incidents bring home the dangers of a self centred society.

Is any of the above true or is it all true with more besides?

(*Scottish Sun)

Lampman · 24-08-2007, 15:20

I've read through the postings we all have our ideas of causes(and possible cures) for the violence shown by young people.
Currently I wonder if anyone else is aware of the new fad of filming violent acts and posting them on the web for other morons to gloat over.
Supposedly responsible internet outlets are allowing this viewings on a day to day basis.Remember this isn't the latest computer game or movie its real life,that many seek to emmulate and surpass.
As I said time to start again.

BOB · 24-08-2007, 15:39

Lots of young people watch those sites in local youth clubs and yet lcc block acc web

garinda · 24-08-2007, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Lampman

I've read through the postings we all have our ideas of causes(and possible cures) for the violence shown by young people.
Currently I wonder if anyone else is aware of the new fad of filming violent acts and posting them on the web for other morons to gloat over.
Supposedly responsible internet outlets are allowing this viewings on a day to day basis.Remember this isn't the latest computer game or movie its real life,that many seek to emmulate and surpass.
As I said time to start again.

Earlier this summer the Accrington Observer saw fit to put on it's front page the story about a local youth biting the head off a chicken, which had been posted on YouTube, and which in my opinion probably encourages more people to do stupid things. Publicity is like a badge of honour to these idiots, a bit like ASBO's have become.

The young man in the chicken incident turned out to be serving in our armed forces.

Lampman · 24-08-2007, 17:04

I agree Garinda,incidently the incident you refer to may counter the oft quoted cure for yobs of giving them National Service,it didnt help this particular example did it?

Royboy39 · 24-08-2007, 17:08

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I agree Garinda,incidently the incident you refer to may counter the oft quoted cure for yobs of giving them National Service,it didnt help this particular example did it?

I can say that if his CO found out who did it he would not repeat the act.
That is probably the difference.

Lampman · 24-08-2007, 17:10

Point taken!

bullseyebarb · 24-08-2007, 18:03

Alas, there is now a culture which has no respect for human life. The rot began to set in during the 1960's. That's when the "me" generation really came of age. Abortion on demand. Welfare state as parent. A lack of personal responsibility. Lax law enforcement. PC. Add to this drugs and gangs. A deadly combination. We should go back to what worked in our past.

cashman · 24-08-2007, 18:04

if national service ie conscription was re-introduced, i just wonder how many immigrants would remain in the U.K.

sorry for the thread wander.

Royboy39 · 24-08-2007, 18:12

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Originally Posted by cashman

if national service ie conscription was re-introduced, i just wonder how many immigrants would remain in the U.K.

sorry for the thread wander.

That's a very good idea Cashy........I wonder if it is as easy to renounce British Citizenship as it is to get it?

steeljack · 24-08-2007, 18:16

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Originally Posted by cashman

if national service ie conscription was re-introduced, i just wonder how many immigrants would remain in the U.K.

sorry for the thread wander.

Probably would either apply for and get exemptions on religious grounds , saying their religion was one of peace and they didn't accept violence .

or demand to be trained and placed in regiments of other co-religionists