Brick, Red Brick Barn, Hapton

[taddy]

Originally Posted by Rowlf

Ok Taddy, I will try and find out for you. There is a meeting of the Hapton Heritage group next week so maybe someone there can shed some light on it.I will let you know.

Hello Rowlf, any more info on the brick,Red Brick Barn.

[Rowlf]

Not yet Taddy. There is a meeting of the Heritage group next Tuesday so I will ask if anyone knows any thing about Red Brick Barn and I will get back to you.

[taddy]

Many thanks in anticipation.

[Rowlf]

Hi Taddy. I mentioned the farm in A.O.B. but no one had heard of it. Unfortunately the bloke who I thought might have an old map was not there due to a family illness. I will try and get hold of him. A couple of the group said they would see what they could find out. One suggested the Heritage centre in the Arndale in Accrington might have some old maps or something so maybe worth you calling in there sometime. Sorry I am not much help but I will keep trying for you.

[taddy]

Thank You

[Rowlf]

You are very welcome Taddy. Have you had a look at `the Hapton heritage website? There are a few photos of me on there......trouble is you wont know who you are looking at. Ha Ha. bet my dad would have been able to help you about the farm. He was born and brought up in Huncoat.

[TubbyLes]

In the center of this map between Huncoat and Hapton from about 1840 is "Brick Barn".Could this be your "Red Brick Barn".Names do get changed over time.

[Rowlf]

I think that could be what Taddy is asking about. Where did you find the map?

[TubbyLes]

Map from Mario Maps.Not easy to use but with some trial and error and time you will get there.One clever thing you can lay an old map on top of a modern one to see exact positions.Don't get hooked on it!. MARIO - Maps & Related Information Online

[taddy]

Originally Posted by TubbyLes

In the center of this map between Huncoat and Hapton from about 1840 is "Brick Barn".Could this be your "Red Brick Barn".Names do get changed over time.

Thank you Less, yes that barn is the one I am refering to; I have a copy of the said map, if you expand it two or three times you can make out the stream that forms the boundry between Huncoat and Hapton runs directly under the building
making my old friends original statement that he was born in Hapton whilst his brother, (born in a different room), was born in Huncoat; feasable.

Thanks for the info.

[taddy]

Originally Posted by Rowlf

You are very welcome Taddy. Have you had a look at `the Hapton heritage website? There are a few photos of me on there......trouble is you wont know who you are looking at. Ha Ha. bet my dad would have been able to help you about the farm. He was born and brought up in Huncoat.

I will have a look at the Hapton heritage site Rolfe, by the way on an earlier post I seem to remember you saying that your father was once the landlord of the Black Bull, (sadly no longer a hostelry), was his Christian name Jack and did you and your husband once have a shop on Warner Street at one (time)?

[Rowlf]

It was my great grandfather who was landlord of the Black Bull. His name was Thomas Edward Smith. He lived in a cottage at the side of the pub which is now the car park I believe. He was a miner previously holding the position of President of the Accrington and District Miners Federation and when he retired from that his son, my grandfather Harry Smith, took over the role. My dad was born across the road from the Black Bull in Ormerod Row then at No 1 James Street until he married my mum and moved to Hapton. I have never lived in Huncoat. My dads eldest sister Hilda lived in the village all her life.She died in 2003. She was a governor at the village school I think. I know she unveiled the plaque in the school to the men of WW1 who lost their lives.

[taddy]

Originally Posted by Rowlf

It was my great grandfather who was landlord of the Black Bull. His name was Thomas Edward Smith. He lived in a cottage at the side of the pub which is now the car park I believe. He was a miner previously holding the position of President of the Accrington and District Miners Federation and when he retired from that his son, my grandfather Harry Smith, took over the role. My dad was born across the road from the Black Bull in Ormerod Row then at No 1 James Street until he married my mum and moved to Hapton. I have never lived in Huncoat. My dads eldest sister Hilda lived in the village all her life.She died in 2003. She was a governor at the village school I think. I know she unveiled the plaque in the school to the men of WW1 who lost their lives.

Many thanks for that Rowlf, the cottage that you refer to is still there, it was used as the kitchen of the pub for many years. Ormerod Row was still in existance up until probably the 1960s.

My first taste of ale was in the Black Bull in 1961, when I was only 14 year's old and the landlord at the time was a man called Jack Fender, he was married to a lady called Hilda and their daughter I believe married the owner of the Little clock shop on Warner Street, hence my pun on my last post as (at the "time"), could the aforsaid Hilda have been one of your relatives?

Just as an aside, the cottage that you mentioned has had a coffin in the bedroom for as long as I can remember.

[Rowlf]

No Taddy the Hilda you mention is not any relation of mine. My aunt was Hilda Gregory who lived in Enfield Road, next to bottom house. Speaking of coffins, when my G,Grandfather died he was too large for them to get him down the stairs of the cottage so they had to take the window out. My dad always said the cottage he lived in though was to the right of the pub in what is now the car park. I only have that to go off as he died in Jan 1935. Another story was that when he was dying he said if they let him go 'across' to the Bull he would cure himself. That sounds like he was where dad said and not a cottage attached to the pub.

[Rowlf]

If you were 14 in 1961 Taddy you are a few years younger than me.