Britains Youngest Councillor - Page 3

garinda · 19-03-2005, 12:34

The fragrant Ann Widdicome said on the radio this week that she supports Howards election pledge to lower the time limit for abortions, but she really wanted it made totally illegal. When questioned about rape or the threat of death to the mother or child she stuck by her guns! Just like David Alton, and by association our Tory candidate. Keep this in mind at the ballot box.

Neil · 19-03-2005, 12:35

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Take a poll outside any Catholic Church any Sunday morning.

Now that would give us a very un-biased poll wouldn't it?

garinda · 19-03-2005, 12:47

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Now that would give us a very un-biased poll wouldn't it?

No it was in answer to Graham's statement that he didn't know of any anti-abortionists. All good Catholics go to Church. All good Catholics follow the Vaticans views on abortion. See simple, the logic not you

Acrylic-bob · 19-03-2005, 12:56

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All good Catholics go to Church. All good Catholics follow the Vaticans views on abortion.

I would be wary of making such sweeping generalisations. Not every Catholic, good or otherwise, supports the Vatican's view expressed in In Humanae Vitae.

garinda · 19-03-2005, 13:09

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I would be wary of making such sweeping generalisations. Not every Catholic, good or otherwise, supports the Vatican's view expressed in In Humanae Vitae.

The use of the word 'good' suggests that the majority of Church going Catholics would support the Vatican's view that abortion is the same as murder.
Of course it doesn't apply to all, l've met many sinners both Church going and 'fallen' Catholics.

Bazf · 19-03-2005, 14:55

It's a big issue here with having a pro abortionist in the white house, one of the things that the country was built on was seperation of church and state, something I fervently belive in, and something that is rearing its ugly head in the UK. If you are so religious and you belive in an ultimate being so be it, I belive in Liverpool fc winning the european cup I won't be portioning my party member to bring it up in parliment.

park381 · 19-03-2005, 17:48

Is there something wrong in the labour camp, headlines in the LET 19th march
Ex-labour leader defects to LibDem
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/la.../NEWSBBN3.html

Acrylic-bob · 19-03-2005, 19:48

No great loss there I fancy.

park381 · 19-03-2005, 20:10

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No great loss there I fancy.

No don't suppose there is, but he will be loosing his income support

garinda · 19-03-2005, 21:04

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Is there something wrong in the labour camp, headlines in the LET 19th march
Ex-labour leader defects to LibDem
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/la.../NEWSBBN3.html

He that pays the piper, calls the tune.

park381 · 19-03-2005, 21:12

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He that pays the piper, calls the tune.

That's an interesting thought

Graham Jones · 19-03-2005, 23:00

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Is there something wrong in the labour camp, headlines in the LET 19th march
Ex-labour leader defects to LibDem
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/la.../NEWSBBN3.html

George ran the council for a good few years well before my time. I only ever went to the General Meetings back then and he occasionally turned up. I never agreed with George or understood his thinking. By then he was still being selected at District level but losing. The last time was 2002 I think. He's only 66 but he has given his life to politics and suffered for it.

He had a leg amputation a year or so back but has battled on. He turned up occasionally at General Meetings. The Labour Party however has moved on a long way and George's type just didn't seem to fit in. I gave him several lifts home and he said so. Talking George it was easy to see that we lived in two different Labour worlds. Reality and fantasy.

Goerge ran a political elite back in the 90's. He would consult with only 1 or two people on every decision whilst having at times 40 Labour Councillors doinmg very little. Many packed up because of George. Factions developed and from what I can gather it wasnt a good party to be in back then under George. George used wander off into long monologues about the deepest and most irrelavant aspects of Socialism and only his voice was ever heard. A throwback to the days when 90% of the electrorate voted and people had never had it so good.Sadly every year George was Leader of the Council Labour lost seats yet listening now to those who supported George, he was a fantastic leader who won every argument against Peter Britciffe and transformed the Council against all odds including rate capping. What they did was in fact sell off gernerations of assets gathered by and for the people of Hyndburn.

By contrast everyone acknowedges how open and friendly it is now under Councillor Battle and the contrast makes it unfamilar & unhappy territory for old the Labour guard with exception of County Councillors who probably didnt have to engage under Georges leadership at District Council level.

In the end George was kicking up at County where he still held the seat but whe he came for reselection he was deselected by the party. Geoege always announced himself as a firm socialist, attacking the Lib Dems and Conservatives mercilessly. One would have thought he would have accepted the the deselction decision however painfuil standing by the decades of scocialist principles that he used to speak about so passionatly.

In the end he decided thaqt he was not going to lose his seat and if he was not reselected he would simply join 'the enemy'. He knows full well it will damage the Labour Party and make winning Gt Harwood much more difficult. He also carefully planned his decision to go on the day of the Rishton by-election to put off Labour voters from voting for young Claire Hamilton as one final swipe for being deselected which was dispicable as Claire doesn't even know George.

In the end George showed his true colours IMHO. That it was always about George and not the Borough or the Labour Party. I know if I had been a councillor back then I would have been a critical opponent of most of what George did and stood for. I can't stand big egos and political elites.

PurpleLass · 19-03-2005, 23:27

I've tried to have a conversation with the man, and been completely flumoxed by his answer. It's possible that in his day he was a great intellect and could run rings round everyone else but now he just loses the thread himself when he tries to give an answer. I think the Labour party is better off without him.

park381 · 20-03-2005, 08:50

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I've tried to have a conversation with the man, and been completely flumoxed by his answer. It's possible that in his day he was a great intellect and could run rings round everyone else but now he just loses the thread himself when he tries to give an answer. I think the Labour party is better off without him.

Ah yes, its the "new" labour party these days, cast off the old, and bring in the young. I am not saying that I am supporter of the man, but may be he has still something to offer even though he is 66 years young.

Acrylic-bob · 20-03-2005, 09:11

>>Quote: Graham - What they did was in fact sell off gernerations of assets gathered by and for the people of Hyndburn.<<

>>but may be he has still something to offer even though he is 66 years young.<<

Yeah, mate. Just what the borough needs. A one legged geriatric narcissist who is slightly to the left of Josef Stalin. We could add him to the cerebrally challenged narcissist, slightly to the right of Lady Thatcher, who is currently in control. They would make a lovely pair. And then the borough could march bravely forward into the procedural and budgetary wasteland they would create for us. I can hardly wait.