Britannia Crossroads

[entwisi]

With that logic traffic lights are useless everywhere then. At worst they need a camera on them to stop red lighters( with suitably severe deterrent)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

I think the problem is when a car goes through on red and one is coming across it at speed because their light was on green.

It was just one of the reasons for not putting lights up. The main being that it does not meet the current requirements for lights, mainly I think because of the approach from Knuzden.

I can see your point Neil, but even lights would have made a different years ago, but the plain facts are that my making this into a round-a-bout its no different to lights. People coming from Knuzden will still be coming at the same speed and there will be just the same problem as there would have been with lights, the only difference is the round-a-bout is costing £800,000 were lights would have been a darn site cheaper, and the money saved could have been sent on some of the crap roads and pavements we have in Hyndburn

[Gayle]

I've been through a few times over the last few days and traffic lights do seem to be working well (obviously when they're working).

I think another reason for a roundabout over traffic lights is volume of traffic - if a roundabout is installed the traffic continues to flow, particularly at quiet times but if you install traffic lights you actually have to get people to stop. A roundabout makes more sense in that context.

However, I'm not a great lover of roundabouts, most people don't know how to use them whereas at least most people understand traffic lights.

Having said that, though, I'm just really pleased that something is being done there, it's been a fiasco from start to finish to get something done and now it's eventually happening it's great.

[BERNADETTE]

Roundabouts are all well and good if the drivers follow the rules. Have seen loads of bumps outside my house because the person who is supposed to give way hasn't. There again that is just either can't be bothered or don't know their left from their right.

As has been said something needs doing to stop the tragic deaths so we should just be happy it is happening.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

People coming from Knuzden will still be coming at the same speed and there will be just the same problem as there would have been with lights

You need to wait and see where the roundabout is being built. I looked a the plans about 3 years ago and think that people coming up the hill will have to slow down or find themselves in the middle of it. They should also be slowing down to give way to cars coming from guide.

[garinda]

For the amount of money it's costing it was probably nearly enough for a bridge/tunnel.

[katex]

There must have been a very strong reason for not installing lights here as it is well-documented that lights are safer than roundabouts due to drivers relying on human judgement at roundabouts and not a definite command as at traffic lights. Safety is the main priority here, (as all junctions) so will have been considered initially.

This roundabout has cost more possibly due to the purchase of the land ?

Normally lights are more expensive, due to the on going electrical costs/maintenance of controls and where there is pedestrian traffic at a four arm structure, crossings have to be installed at a cost of £40,000 each x 4 ! This does not apply to Britannia obviously .. not many pedestrians up there ...

Still as we all say, better than nowt.

[Tealeaf]

If you lot think those traffic lights are bad, try navigating your way around these, located near me on the Isle of Dogs:

[MargaretR]

Roundabouts can be a nightmare too.
Fiveways roundabout Birmingham has about 10 exits because it is a maze of underpasses and flyovers.
It once took me an hour to discover the exit I wanted

[entwisi]

Pictures Margaret driving round and round and round for an hour

I 'm surprised you weren't dizzy!

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by entwisi

Pictures Margaret driving round and round and round for an hour

I 'm surprised you weren't dizzy!

I had to keep exiting onto dual carriageways and travelling a fair way before I could turn back to try again.
.....and I was already in an agitated state because I was searching for Birmingham Burns Unit where darwendosser had been emergency admitted the night before... a living nightmare