british justice at its finest again

chav1 · 13-04-2005, 12:37

today a burgular called ************* appeared before the court on charges for 7 burgularys and recieved 2.5 years in lancaster farm the 5 star hotel for the criminals

he will be appearing in court later this month for another further 10 offences including more burgularys and various other theft related crimes

hes been punished so whats the problem yoU may be thiking

well so far he has got 2.5 years for 7 burgularys which alone is disgusting so bear with me a minuite while i explain how teh law is a total ass

if you drive down the motorway at a constant 100mph and get flashed by 7 cameras you recieve 7 fines and 7 lots of points deducted as although you never slowed down you commited 7 offences by driving past 7 speed cameras at 100mph

so if the law is meant to treat everyone equaly surely as he has been found guilty of 7 burgularies and given a 2.5 year sentence he shoud infact be serving 17.5 years plus whatever he gets for the offences he appears in court for later this month

meanwhile while he takes it easy at lancaster farm the pensioners and other victims are sat in their homes too scared to open a window or leave any door unlocked even during the day

i hope it is ok to name ***********also goes by the name ************ as he has now been found guilty of his crimes and his name will be appearing in the telegraph soon enough anyway

this person robbs from the ELDERLY ,DISABLED and the INFIRM

I have edited the name of the person myself as i am unsure of accywebs policy of naming criminals like this

when his name appears in the paper would it be ok to link it to this post

cashman · 13-04-2005, 12:50

he will do probably a maximum of 10-12months,an if hes a good chap,will be let out to theive off people again,probably much wiser e.g. will have learn't how to steal cars(if he doesn't know) hence making his chosen career easier and more bearable, during his period of incarceration YOU the taxpayer will be funding this.lifes a bitch!

Bazf · 13-04-2005, 16:32

Isn't good that our police will prioritise there time and energy and get 200 points, think stop 20 drunk drivers on the the first shift of the month and take the rest of the month easy, am I being cynical or would this happen?( sorry had to cut and paste its in the members section)

Police given points for catching motorists
By Stewart Payne
(Filed: 13/04/2005)

Traffic police are being awarded points that vary in accordance with who they manage to pull over.

Thames Valley police has given its 120 traffic officers "aide-memoire cards" which carry a chart awarding different points for catching different offenders.

Click to enlarge Their monthly target is 200 points.

Under the system, officers get 10 points for stopping a drink-driver - the same number awarded for arresting a rapist.

They get five points for pulling over someone not wearing a seat belt or using a mobile phone at the wheel.

The highest number of points available for the traffic officers is 50, achievable only when "taking the lead role at a fatal accident".

A spokesman for Thames Valley's roads policing department said it was the only one in Britain using the aide-memoire cards system, adding: "It's very popular. It's designed to help officers prioritise their workload."

Two points are scored for dealing with an illegal immigrant, shoplifter, someone breaching bail conditions, a mentally ill person or a pedestrian on the motorway.

Seat belt or tachograph offences, criminal damage, harassment or public order incidents earn five points.

Thames Valley police insisted yesterday that the purpose of the scheme was to assist officers in setting priorities. It has been criticised because catching a motorist not wearing a seat belt is worth five points, yet arresting a rape or assault suspect is only worth another five.

Sources within the force said it risked "trivialising" police work and could result in officers concentrating on lesser, easier-to-detect crimes in order to reach the target.

Supt Mick Doyle, head of Roads Policing, said yesterday: "The performance system enables stretched officers to prioritise their work.

"It reflects the importance of offences that are the main causes of death on our roads.

"The Roads Policing department makes up three per cent of the force. Their priority is to make the road safer and reduce the number of people killed and seriously injured on our roads."

He said that, while other areas of crime remain just as important, they were usually investigated by officers from the CID.

The points will be totalled by the officers' superiors when statistics are collated.

Supt Doyle added: "The system helps supervisors assess workloads.

"It also recognises the work officers do in investigating road deaths and providing family liaison support for bereaved families."

However, Paul Fawcett, of Victim Support, said: "Target- setting is good but it won't help public confidence in the system if low-level crimes are targeted at the expense of more visible crimes.

"It is vital that the public feel a sense of trust and engagement in what the police are doing so that they report crimes, get help and criminals are caught.

"If the public feel the police are chasing minor crimes at the expense of more serious crimes where a victim has been burgled, robbed or assaulted, their confidence in the system will drop."

A spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "This points system can be used as a motivational tool but it is up to managers at individual forces to decide practice."

ShortStuff · 13-04-2005, 20:42

If our prisions were as undesirable as some foreign prisions - I'm sure there are a lot of criminals out there that would actually think twice. They just see it as an easy stretch & no one ever actually serves their full sentence - so where's the deterent?

Margaret Pilkington · 13-04-2005, 20:54

That is the answer......make prison unpalatable.
Hard labour......dirty work...cleaning the canals of rubbish......sewage farm work.
Minimal food.
No heating.
No leisure facilities......why should these guys have any leisure...anyway by the time they have finished doing the hard labour they should be too tired to want to do anything other than eat their meagre rations and go to bed.

lindsay ormerod · 13-04-2005, 21:05

I was burgled several years ago when I lived on Holland St;the toerag that did it had been watching the house for a couple of weeks and waited for me to go back to work after my stepfather died unexpectedly. He then broke in thru the back door and emptied the place. As soon as SOCO arrived he said "I can tell you who did this without even dusting the fingerprints,I know them so well" He was right,the Police caught the scumbag and he got banged up at Lancaster Farms for 18 months.The cheeky get then wrote to me and said he was sorry for burgling me but he couldn't remember doing it! Needless to say he then got a solicitor's letter for harrassment!.He is now out and about and still "working".I personally think it's an absolute disgrace that these repeat offenders are let out of cushy prisons so soon,and our hard earned wages help to fund their "rehabilitation" into a society that I feel they have no part of.

sootynonuts · 13-04-2005, 21:50

the problem with criminals doing HARD LABOUR is the human rights act which allows the criminal to live in luxury, while they laze about in there nice warm cell watching there plasma screen tv playing on there play station and now they are getting fish tanks in there cells so they can relax. what happens to the person who was robbed well you get a letter from the victim support team, then after that you contact your insurance company who then treat you like a criminal because you are making a claim to recover the items that the original criminal took from you.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT
made for the criminals and legal bodies
not the decent people who work all there life to afford the little luxury for some little toe rag to come along and take them to sell for what (DRUGS) we dont know.
so who do you blame for the human rights act.
well ask tony blair his wife has made millions from this as this was paseed in his second term in parliment. because as this was passed mrs blair set up a company called the matrix which only deals with people who's HUMAN RIGHTS HAVE BEEN FRINGED.
WHAT I SAY IS BRING BACK (NATIONAL SERVICE).

WillowTheWhisp · 13-04-2005, 21:53

Haven't the victim's human rights been infringed? I should think we all ought to have the basic human right not to be burgled.

cashman · 13-04-2005, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

That is the answer......make prison unpalatable.
Hard labour......dirty work...cleaning the canals of rubbish......sewage farm work.
Minimal food.
No heating.
No leisure facilities......why should these guys have any leisure...anyway by the time they have finished doing the hard labour they should be too tired to want to do anything other than eat their meagre rations and go to bed.

in the 60s i think it finished(HARD LABOUR)it used to be called P.D.preventitive detention,the persistant scumbags@violent ones used to get it margaret,then along came the doogooders and look how weve ended up now.

lindsay ormerod · 14-04-2005, 18:55

I don't think National Service is the answer.I think it need prison sentences that actually mean what they say;if it says life it means for the length of your earthly life,if it says 15 years it means 15 years ;no parole;no time off for good behaviour.

Margaret Pilkington · 14-04-2005, 19:59

The thing that we sometimes forget about prison is that it cost you and me an arm and a leg to keep these people in relative comfort. OK......they haven't got their freedom, but then neither have they any worries about where the next meal is coming from...or how to scrape the money together to pay the leckie bill and the council tax.

Maybe we should find some offshore island and unload some of them there.......they would have to find their own food and shelter.......and if they couldn't do that then tough......but at least it would give them a few sleepless nights.

We wouldn't be forking out to pay for them to live the life of Riley.......and a few Prison Officers could perhaps be found work making sure the immigration rules were followed.

Margaret Pilkington · 14-04-2005, 20:00

Oh......what a shame that contravenes the human rights act too I suppose!

Bazf · 14-04-2005, 20:07

Have some of this ....... and people ask me why I left the UK
PRISONERS evacuated when fire broke at their jail are getting £100 each in compensation — for their “inconvenience”.
The payouts to 32 inmates forced to flee a cell block enraged warders yesterday — who got NOTHING for tackling the blaze which was started deliberately.
Jail chiefs decided to give lags the cash even though nobody was injured by the fire in a cell at Highpoint Prison in Suffolk ten days ago.

Last night Steve Bostock, of the Prison Officers Association, blasted the payouts as “outrageous”.
He said his members were worried about a misuse of public funds — and demanded a full explanation.
Mr Bostock raged: “It appears to be going to prisoners because they were inconvenienced on the night of the fire and behaved themselves.
“Our staff potentially put their lives at risk by tackling the fire and evacuating all prisoners safely. Yet all they got was a letter of thanks from the governor.”
Evacuated lags were moved to other accommodation at the category C jail or to the Edmunds Hill prison next door.

The Prison Service insisted yesterday: “The money is to make up for damaged property. It is not a reward for good behaviour.”
But Mr Bostock insisted: “Although there was smoke damage in the prisoners’ unit I don’t know of any suggestion property was damaged.”

Acrylic-bob · 15-04-2005, 05:50

Can someone explain to me the point of a judge handing down several sentences at the same time to the same offender and then stipulating that they must be served "Concurrently"?

vorlon24 · 15-04-2005, 08:25

Because they have a maximum sentence that they can give out per crime, I guess. If the maximum is (for example) 2 years each, and 5 crimes have been committed, then that would mean 10 years inside, wouldn't it?