Brown asks Voters to give Labour a second look - Page 3

jaysay · 22-02-2010, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It's an interesting list and there is some vein of truth in it but, as Graham has pointed out, it is all a matter of how things are looked at.

As I have said before, look to the man rather than the badge. On the voting list who is the best person for the job? Would you vote for someone who you don't really believe in as a matter of principle? On a local level who controls your town or borough and are they giving you what you want?

In Hyndburn, even Tory supporters have named Graham as the best candidate.

Only by the fact that we are not being allowed to select our own

jaysay · 22-02-2010, 10:06

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Originally Posted by accyman

wow what a list im sure cameron if he wins will set to work straight reversing things
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NOT

What in the same way the Tony went about reversing everything don't by the Thatcher Government

Less · 22-02-2010, 10:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Only by the fact that we are not being allowed to select our own

Quite right that sort of thing should only be done by the grown ups.

accyman · 22-02-2010, 10:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay

What in the same way the Tony went about reversing everything don't by the Thatcher Government

exactly but then again tony blair was a bloody tory he may as well have been one of thatchers offspring

new labour my arse they should have been called blue labour

until we get a more credible 3rd party to choose from were stuck with teh same shower of sheet that are no better than each other

teh only alternatives at the moment are a bunch of facists and a bunch of do gooder cretins with an even looser grip on reality than the BNP

like iv said before its not a matter of choosing who you think is fit to run the country because none of them are its a matter of choosing whos going to screw you over the least

jaysay · 22-02-2010, 11:19

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Originally Posted by accyman

exactly but then again tony blair was a bloody tory he may as well have been one of thatchers offspring

new labour my arse they should have been called blue labour

until we get a more credible 3rd party to choose from were stuck with the same shower of sheet that are no better than each other

the only alternatives at the moment are a bunch of fascists and a bunch of do gooder cretins with an even looser grip on reality than the BNP

like iv said before its not a matter of choosing who you think is fit to run the country because none of them are its a matter of choosing who's going to screw you over the least

New Labour are all you say they are but were readily endorsed by the locals when they thought Labour would become electable, now they're jumping through hoops distancing themselves form Gordon and chums, the only one I know on here, that didn't ditch all their principals is cashy, he treats New Labour with the contempt they so richly deserve

cashman · 22-02-2010, 11:23

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Originally Posted by jaysay

New Labour are all you say they are but were readily endorsed by the locals when they thought Labour would become electable, now they're jumping through hoops distancing themselves form Gordon and chums, the only one I know on here, that didn't ditch all their principals is cashy, he treats New Labour with the contempt they so richly deserve

Perhaps you will now do the same wi your lot?

garinda · 22-02-2010, 11:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay

New Labour are all you say they are but were readily endorsed by the locals when they thought Labour would become electable, now they're jumping through hoops distancing themselves form Gordon and chums, the only one I know on here, that didn't ditch all their principals is cashy, he treats New Labour with the contempt they so richly deserve

Do you mean like you embraced the new improved 'hug-a-hoodie' Tory-Lites, until they didn't listen to the wants of the local party?

Less · 22-02-2010, 11:55

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Originally Posted by garinda

Do you mean like you embraced the new improved 'hug-a-hoodie' Tory-Lites, until they didn't listen to the wants of the local party?

He has to, it's in the rules, anything else would lead to a free thinking party which might demand to select local Candidates for the coming election and that road leads to anarchy!

Whatever the party, if their thinking is, we will welcome you as a valued member, keep paying your sub's, but don't expect when it comes to thinking locally you will have freedom of choice you peasant.

I wouldn't want to join.

jaysay · 22-02-2010, 12:08

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Originally Posted by garinda

Do you mean like you embraced the new improved 'hug-a-hoodie' Tory-Lites, until they didn't listen to the wants of the local party?

I still hold my Conservative beliefs, but when the party stops listening to its grass roots, its time to step back, the principles haven't changed, just the art of listening to people who know whats best for their own area to succeed, unlike Labour who ditched all their socialist principals on the altar of electability, running round singing things can only get better, well £1 Trillion in debt doesn't seem like better to me, given the fact they inherited the best economic prospects of any incoming government in history

garinda · 22-02-2010, 12:19

Waitress: Would you like to order, sir?
Thatcher: Yes. I will have the steak.
Waitress: How would you like it?
Thatcher: Oh, raw, please.
Waitress: And what about the Vegetables?
Thatcher: Oh, they'll [The Cabinet] have the same as me!

It's a good job there wasn't a bullying helpline in the past.

No one else would have been able to get through.

Less · 22-02-2010, 12:50

Now I like fairy stories which is why I could spend all day listening to Rindy.

However, the simplistic view of politics that I have is this:-

Labour Candidate extremely far left but local 'v' Jay's best mate also local.

I think the lefty would get my vote.

Labour Candidate extremely far left but local 'v' Jay's Party bloke a stranger.

I think the lefty would get my vote.

Labour Candidate extremely far left but a stranger 'v' Jay's best mate local.

I think Jay's best mate would get my vote.

Now this is the fairy tale part bare with me, please.

Labour Candidate extremely far left but a stranger 'v' Jay's Party bloke a stranger.

I actually think the Lib Dem', (local), would get my vote, (best chance of them winning around here in years).

You see, the reason for this is, whatever the party, I know in my heart of hearts I want to be represented by someone that suffers the same kind of in-breeding as I and the rest of us locals do, at least no matter how badly they represent us in London they still have to live around here with the rest of us, not go scurrying off to some Chelsea Flat never to be seen again.

yerself · 22-02-2010, 13:02

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Waitress: Would you like to order, sir?
Thatcher: Yes. I will have the steak.
Waitress: How would you like it?
Thatcher: Oh, raw, please.
Waitress: And what about the Vegetables?
Thatcher: Oh, they'll [The Cabinet] have the same as me!

Someone else saw the clip from 'Spitting Image' on Andrew Marr's programme last week.

Stumped · 22-02-2010, 18:55

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Originally Posted by Less

Now I like fairy stories which is why I could spend all day listening to Rindy.

However, the simplistic view of politics that I have is this:-

Labour Candidate extremely far left but local 'v' Jay's best mate also local.

I think the lefty would get my vote.

Labour Candidate extremely far left but local 'v' Jay's Party bloke a stranger.

I think the lefty would get my vote.

Labour Candidate extremely far left but a stranger 'v' Jay's best mate local.

I think Jay's best mate would get my vote.

Now this is the fairy tale part bare with me, please.

Labour Candidate extremely far left but a stranger 'v' Jay's Party bloke a stranger.

I actually think the Lib Dem', (local), would get my vote, (best chance of them winning around here in years).

You see, the reason for this is, whatever the party, I know in my heart of hearts I want to be represented by someone that suffers the same kind of in-breeding as I and the rest of us locals do, at least no matter how badly they represent us in London they still have to live around here with the rest of us, not go scurrying off to some Chelsea Flat never to be seen again.

I'm actually agreeing you on this one, Less. I once declared that I'd rather be kneecapped than vote Labour - and I still hold to that view. However Britcliffe's bunch have proved themselves more inept than the outfit they replaced. Short of looking to some anonymous independent candidate, I reckon the Lib/Dems might just be the party to make a better fist of it come the local elections. As for the main event, reckon I'll give it a miss once again.

Less · 23-02-2010, 01:05

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Originally Posted by Stumped

I'm actually agreeing you on this one, Less.

Although it is allowed, it doesn't make interesting reading for the rest of the world if we get into the habit of agreeing with each other on here.

jaysay · 23-02-2010, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Stumped

I'm actually agreeing you on this one, Less. I once declared that I'd rather be kneecapped than vote Labour - and I still hold to that view. However Britcliffe bunch have proved themselves more inept than the outfit they replaced. Short of looking to some anonymous independent candidate, I reckon the Lib/Dems might just be the party to make a better fist of it come the local elections. As for the main event, reckon I'll give it a miss once again.

If that's the case why have Britcliffe's bunch been in control for 10 of the last 11 years, even with Labour having Gods gift to Hyndburn as their leader

It took the people of Hyndburn two election to turn a 44 Labour 3 Conservative council into a Conservative Controlled council