Budget 2009 - Page 4

lancsdave · 23-04-2009, 08:52

No matter which party is in opposition they all same the same thing, they can do a better job than the resident government. It's been going on since parliament existed, one day somebody may actually prove it

jaysay · 23-04-2009, 09:01

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

No matter which party is in opposition they all same the same thing, they can do a better job than the resident government. It's been going on since parliament existed, one day somebody may actually prove it

I hear what your saying dave, but this time I'm a hundred per cent sure, mind you the Monster Raving Loony Party could do better that this shower, Wynonie for PM

Margaret Pilkington · 23-04-2009, 15:20

If an election was called tomorrow, whoever won it would be in the unenviable position of trying to sort out these huge problems.

I agree with Andrew though, you cannot borrow your way out of a recession that was caused in the first place by irresponsible uncontrolled borrowing.

But then what can you expect.......the fiasco over expenses for MP's has done untold damage.......they can live off the fat of the land (our taxes), tell us to be more prudent,
and almost smirk while they see us on our uppers.
Now, if they cannot see that this is immoral, how can we trust them to make judgements that affect all of us?

jaysay · 23-04-2009, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If an election was called tomorrow, whoever won it would be in the unenviable position of trying to sort out these huge problems.

I agree with Andrew though, you cannot borrow your way out of a recession that was caused in the first place by irresponsible uncontrolled borrowing.

But then what can you expect.......the fiasco over expenses for MP's has done untold damage.......they can live off the fat of the land (our taxes), tell us to be more prudent,
and almost smirk while they see us on our uppers.
Now, if they cannot see that this is immoral, how can we trust them to make judgements that affect all of us?

Think what you have said is true, especially about borrowing, but that as always been the Labour way, knowing full well that if it goes belly up it won't be them picking up the pieces, it happened in 1950, 1979 and even more so now, but this time its a mitigated disaster, we are now, as a country in the biggest doubt for over 300 years, things can only get better was the cry in 1997, ya reght

Gayle · 23-04-2009, 16:14

I'm not denying that we're in a mess right now but would we honestly have been in any different situation if the Conservatives were in. It's a world wide recession so it would have hit us anyway. In one way, it's probably come at the right time for the Conservatives because they'll take over (and I'm not actually in much doubt that they'll win) and they'll be able to blame everything on the previous administration.

The only thing will be if the Conservatives can come up with a way of getting us out of it whilst the rest of the world wallow in it.

shakermaker · 23-04-2009, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I'm not denying that we're in a mess right now but would we honestly have been in any different situation if the Conservatives were in. It's a world wide recession so it would have hit us anyway. In one way, it's probably come at the right time for the Conservatives because they'll take over (and I'm not actually in much doubt that they'll win) and they'll be able to blame everything on the previous administration.

The only thing will be if the Conservatives can come up with a way of getting us out of it whilst the rest of the world wallow in it.

My thoughts exactly Gayle.

To jaysay, Royboy et al... it's all well and good slating the government for borrowing so much money, but I hear not one opposition supporter or politician saying what they would do differently.

jaysay · 23-04-2009, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I'm not denying that we're in a mess right now but would we honestly have been in any different situation if the Conservatives were in. It's a world wide recession so it would have hit us anyway. In one way, it's probably come at the right time for the Conservatives because they'll take over (and I'm not actually in much doubt that they'll win) and they'll be able to blame everything on the previous administration.

The only thing will be if the Conservatives can come up with a way of getting us out of it whilst the rest of the world wallow in it.

But in this case it will be true, we left Labour in a rosy position in 97, after cleaning their last effort up 74/79, we were the worst prepared country in the modern world going into this recession because we had a chancellor who spent the brass and didn't look to the future, oh and by the way there still hasn't been a Labour Lackey on here yet, they've gone missing again

Bernard Dawson · 23-04-2009, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I'm not denying that we're in a mess right now but would we honestly have been in any different situation if the Conservatives were in. It's a world wide recession so it would have hit us anyway. In one way, it's probably come at the right time for the Conservatives because they'll take over (and I'm not actually in much doubt that they'll win) and they'll be able to blame everything on the previous administration.

The only thing will be if the Conservatives can come up with a way of getting us out of it whilst the rest of the world wallow in it.

Don't be too sure Gayle. It's a long time until the next general election. It's also not what we are finding on the door steps.

Gayle · 23-04-2009, 16:53

Well fair enough Bernard. Perhaps if the election was tomorrow it could be a Tory win, but you're right, it's a long time off.

Perhaps the County Elections will give us a better indication as to how people are voting right now.

Royboy39 · 23-04-2009, 17:20

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

My thoughts exactly Gayle.

To jaysay, Royboy et al... it's all well and good slating the government for borrowing so much money, but I hear not one opposition supporter or politician saying what they would do differently.

What good would that do? The arrogance of this Labour Government as it stands would take no notice anyway.

Margaret Pilkington · 23-04-2009, 17:29

This situation is a bit like a football club that fires the manager because it isn't getting the wins......the next chap in HAS to make sure there are wins.........and I can't really think of a party that has a crew that is up to the job....in effect whoever wins the next election will pick up a 'poison chalice'.......unenviable.

Royboy39 · 23-04-2009, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Don't be too sure Gayle. It's a long time until the next general election. It's also not what we are finding on the door steps.

Do you knock on every door or do you Knit one Pearl one?

jaysay · 23-04-2009, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Do you knock on every door or do you Knit one Pearl one?

They never knock on my door Roy

shakermaker · 23-04-2009, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

What good would that do? The arrogance of this Labour Government as it stands would take no notice anyway.

So it's ok for the opposition not to serve their purpose by offering no alternative, all the while slating the government for their decisions?
What a pathetic response.

BERNADETTE · 23-04-2009, 17:47

It might inspire more people to believe them (any party here) if they stopped claiming such ludicrous amounts of money for second homes and such like when they don't need them. It is all good and well saying they aren't breaking any rules but they made the rules theirselves!!!!