Built to Last

[jambutty]

Neither of the Devious Duo is worthy of my vote mainly because they have both had the opportunity to put the ‘Great’ back into Great Britain and failed to do so.

However we will continue to stagger from one Labour period to a Tory one and back again and in the process the working classes will get screwed down more and more.

The government in office is there at the behest of the people to do as the PEOPLE want and not tell the people what they should have. The same applies to local governments.

We can all understand that in order for the government to provide the services that we want will mean taxation but most of our hard earned money is wasted on multiple layers of bureaucracy and projects that only benefit the ruling classes and the rich and richer.

So it is hardly surprising that some 40% of the population don’t vote. They feel that even if they did vote their votes will count for nothing, as the party that wins the national election will do what they want rather than what the electorate wants. Some, of course, will not vote as a protest against the big two. But all that does is strengthen the Devious Duo’s position.

So if you don’t like what the major two or three parties have to offer and are likely to deliver, then use your vote for ANY OTHER PARTY. It doesn’t matter which because apart from the UKIP they have no chance of being elected as an MP or Councillor but a sudden rise in votes for one the obscure parties will get noticed. It will get noticed even more if by some quirk an obscure party gets an MP or Councillor.

[andrewb]

They will do what was set out in their manifesto. Im sure this point was brought up before and I had the same responce..

[g jones]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Sounds like more junk mail to me. Did you know that if you contact the post office, you can arrange for them to stop stricking this rubbish through your letter box? It also means that you will have more room in your recyclying box. So get in touch with them today.

Don't lie tealeaf, you asked for a van load so after the reading the first you could learn more by reading the second and so on...

.... mind you I bet it hurt reading all the that "Cameron Commie" nonsense

[g jones]

Having read the thread, it's disapopinting that people have lost belief. Greed and intolerance have taken over. Government's pander to factional groups through focus groupings based on swing voters as well as appealing with the lowest form of politics, pandering to the greedy self within people. A situation Kennedy appealed against famously; 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'.

To be honest how many people bother in their neighbourhoods anymore? The simplest form of politics (where governments can't be blamed), such as picking up litter on the street, to going out and tackling other neighbourhood problems. Or ignore the problems, leave it to others, blame everyone else and close the front door, how many people every year vote for that? Too many. "There's no such thing as Society".

[cashman]

Originally Posted by g jones

Having read the thread, it's disapopinting that people have lost belief. Greed and intolerance have taken over. Government's pander to factional groups through focus groupings based on swing voters as well as appealing with the lowest form of politics, pandering to the greedy self within people. A situation Kennedy appealed against famously; 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'.

To be honest how many people bother in their neighbourhoods anymore? The simplest form of politics (where governments can't be blamed), such as picking up litter on the street, to going out and tackling other neighbourhood problems. Or ignore the problems, leave it to others, blame everyone else and close the front door, how many people every year vote for that? Too many. "There's no such thing as Society".

a lot of truth in that, main problem with neighbourhood problems is quite simply - you get involved and they take the p***, swear at you, threaten you, so i agree theres no such thing as Society.and as an afterthought the goody goodys @ P.C. brigade have destroyed it, theres NO deterant.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cashman

as someone who has voted for the best part of 40 years religiously, i am now at the stage that i would rather have my teeth pulled out with pliers than ever vote again for ANY of these useless,egotistical,lying, pieces of DUNG. and i,m not a child rindy.

seems someones a bit touchy?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cashman

seems someones a bit touchy?

Are you quoting yourself now?

You schizophrenic nutter.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by cashman

seems someones a bit touchy?

No I smiled because I think you meant it but in a way wishing it wasn't so and it certainly wasn't personal.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by g jones

and tackling other neighbourhood problems. Or ignore the problems, leave it to others, blame everyone else and close the front door, how many people every year vote for that? Too many. "There's no such thing as Society".

So, Graham, what happens if you tackle these "neighbourhood problems"? At best, you get a mouthful of abuse from the scum or at worst, you get a good beating and, in some instances, lose your life. Then, what happens to the prepetrators? They get a ridiculously light prison sentence with of course early release. And what have your government done in the last nine years to remedy this situation? Despite tough talking from successive home secretaries (including the latest incumbent, John Reid), zilch!

So, instead of coming on here, lecturing us about what we're not doing, why don't you tell your government to adopt a sensible law and order policy - ie, murderers locked up for the rest of their lives and other violent thugs and indeed criminals in general locked up for much longer periods in extremely spartan conditions. Or does that offend your liberal sensibilities?

[panther]

dont like cameron one bit! got a face I could punch! dont know why just does and i dont like the way he talks either,thought john major was bad! and as for voting they can all

[Madhatter]

You mean like this

The managing director of an international company has told the Herald why he punched a 16-year-old hooligan - and why he would be prepared to do it again.

Linda Ram

Dean White says the teenage tearaway and his gang had leapt over a five-foot fence to intimidate and hurl abuse at him, his wife and two daughters on the drive of their Fazeley home.

"I felt my family was in danger," Mr White, the boss of a firm in Coventry, said.

"I don't regret my actions and if similar circumstances arose again, I would do the same thing, because in a situation like that you are under threat."

The 45-year-old then found himself at the centre of a police investigation after officers caught the youth, who then said he wanted to press charges against Mr White.

"I stood up to these morons and yet I was the one being investigated. My teenage daughters were on the drive and also being subjected to very violent behaviour - we were all very frightened."

The nightmare unfolded one night last week when a gang of boys and girls - said to have clearly been drinking - were being rowdy in the street.

As Mr White also had his three-month-old grandson in the house, he and his wife went outside to ask them to move along.

But they were met with a volley of abuse, foul language and threatening behaviour.

Five of the gang scaled the fence which protects the family home and jumped onto their drive.

"It was five on one. They had backed me up to the front door and one of them was right in my face. He would have hit me, so I punched him.

"I was exercising my right to defend myself, my wife, my children, my grandson and my property.

"I would be gobsmacked if they said there were still charges to answer."

Mr White feels more should be done about antisocial behaviour before things get out of hand.

"Enough is enough!" he added.

"If the council and the police do not clamp down on this sort of unruly behaviour, then it will force vigilantes onto our streets."

The youth later dropped the charges against Mr White, who is now unlikely to be prosecuted.

Police say they will be looking into the problems in the area caused by youths.

[SPUGGIE J]

Dosnt matter which party is in power the mold is now set and neither wil swing from it very wide in case they upset the wrong people. With the Labour war going on Cameron could get in evn if Brown was PM as most dont really trust him and not because he is a Fifer.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Madhatter

You mean like this

The managing director of an international company has told the Herald why he punched a 16-year-old hooligan - and why he would be prepared to do it again.

Linda Ram

Dean White says the teenage tearaway and his gang had leapt over a five-foot fence to intimidate and hurl abuse at him, his wife and two daughters on the drive of their Fazeley home.

"I felt my family was in danger," Mr White, the boss of a firm in Coventry, said.

"I don't regret my actions and if similar circumstances arose again, I would do the same thing, because in a situation like that you are under threat."

The 45-year-old then found himself at the centre of a police investigation after officers caught the youth, who then said he wanted to press charges against Mr White.

"I stood up to these morons and yet I was the one being investigated. My teenage daughters were on the drive and also being subjected to very violent behaviour - we were all very frightened."

The nightmare unfolded one night last week when a gang of boys and girls - said to have clearly been drinking - were being rowdy in the street.

As Mr White also had his three-month-old grandson in the house, he and his wife went outside to ask them to move along.

But they were met with a volley of abuse, foul language and threatening behaviour.

Five of the gang scaled the fence which protects the family home and jumped onto their drive.

"It was five on one. They had backed me up to the front door and one of them was right in my face. He would have hit me, so I punched him.

"I was exercising my right to defend myself, my wife, my children, my grandson and my property.

"I would be gobsmacked if they said there were still charges to answer."

Mr White feels more should be done about antisocial behaviour before things get out of hand.

"Enough is enough!" he added.

"If the council and the police do not clamp down on this sort of unruly behaviour, then it will force vigilantes onto our streets."

The youth later dropped the charges against Mr White, who is now unlikely to be prosecuted.

Police say they will be looking into the problems in the area caused by youths.

Exactly what I was getting at! I know it's become a cliche now, but the law is weighted in favour of criminals to the detriment of ordinary citizens. And your government have done nothing about it, Graham!

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Exactly what I was getting at! I know it's become a cliche now, but the law is weighted in favour of criminals to the detriment of ordinary citizens. And your government have done nothing about it, Graham!

Spot on. Now all we need is the spin as to why its this way. That or tell the gov to spin

[g jones]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So, Graham, what happens if you tackle these "neighbourhood problems"? At best, you get a mouthful of abuse from the scum or at worst, you get a good beating and, in some instances, lose your life. Then, what happens to the prepetrators? They get a ridiculously light prison sentence with of course early release. And what have your government done in the last nine years to remedy this situation? Despite tough talking from successive home secretaries (including the latest incumbent, John Reid), zilch!

So, instead of coming on here, lecturing us about what we're not doing, why don't you tell your government to adopt a sensible law and order policy - ie, murderers locked up for the rest of their lives and other violent thugs and indeed criminals in general locked up for much longer periods in extremely spartan conditions. Or does that offend your liberal sensibilities?

Ahh.... another Labour hater!

I can't take anything you say as serious LOL - Are you recomending that no-one should go out and pick litter from their street for fear of being murdered?

ASB is down around 90% in Peel. Labour investment has made a big difference in reducing all crime dramatically in this area. The streets are now safe at night. Our target this year is a 15% reduction on top of all previous reductions.

There is no-one around here (even Tories) that doesn't agree with the above statement. We have two Police/PS officers, soon to be 4. (6 if you vote Labour locally next time). We had NONE under the Tories.