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Wynonie Harris · 02-09-2006, 21:35

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Originally Posted by g jones

such as picking up litter on the street, to going out and tackling other neighbourhood problems.

No, I'm not suggesting that people will get murdered for picking up litter on their streets. But after mentioning the litter problem, you then went on to talk about "other neighbourhood problems" by which I assume you mean vandalism, yobbishness and violence. People have been assaulted and even killed for attempting to tackle neighbourhood problems like these.

I can't comment on the situation on Accrington as I don't live there anymore. You say that there is no one who doesn't agree with your statement that the streets are safe at night. I'd be interested to hear what other local residents have to say about that. I do know that the problem is rampant where I live and that the scum who cause it all seem completely fearless.

Incidentally, I like the way you start your post with the phrase "another Labour hater" as if I'm some kind of rare species. Do you realise just how much people (including Labour voters) despise this present Labour government? Obviously not.

g jones · 02-09-2006, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

No, I'm not suggesting that people will get murdered for picking up litter on their streets. But after mentioning the litter problem, you then went on to talk about "other neighbourhood problems" by which I assume you mean vandalism, yobbishness and violence. People have been assaulted and even killed for attempting to tackle neighbourhood problems like these.

I can't comment on the situation on Accrington as I don't live there anymore. You say that there is no one who doesn't agree with your statement that the streets are safe at night. I'd be interested to hear what other local residents have to say about that. I do know that the problem is rampant where I live and that the scum who cause it all seem completely fearless.

Incidentally, I like the way you start your post with the phrase "another Labour hater" as if I'm some kind of rare species. Do you realise just how much people (including Labour voters) despise this present Labour government? Obviously not.

This week it was announced that in Accrington Town Centre, violence since the Licensing Laws came in, is down 49%. The streets of my ward have never been safer (18 years lived here). Lancs Constabulary are at the forefront nationwide of neighbourhood policing mind you, so you might not be benefitting as yet.

Given the problems we had before, it would be a tragedy if Cameron's tax cuts, and policies for the wealthy ended up taking us back to 1997.

Wynonie Harris · 02-09-2006, 21:56

Well, I'd still like to hear if other locals agree with you that the streets "have never been safer". It's certainly not my experience. Perhaps I should move back to Accy?!!

Agree with your view of the boy David, though.

Madhatter · 02-09-2006, 22:52

Well the street might be safer now, I think the new licensing laws are helping, but it got SO bad that a lot of people were scared to even go a walk once it got dark, and still are.
I don't care which government it is, we desserve better than any of them are giving us

Mancie · 03-09-2006, 00:38

Yeah Yeah CYFR.. anyone would agree and sign up for that stuff.. but experience tells that the tories may agree with social justice but when it comes to it they don't even know what it means. a tory goverment always intails cuts in public services, low wages, cheap imports, and a view to look after big business (funny how the big corps that supply tory funds applaud the recent cheap labour from the baltic states)

Mancie · 03-09-2006, 03:02

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Originally Posted by cashman

seems someones a bit touchy?

Chasman you mental bleedin nutter hamstring case you... spot on

Wynonie Harris · 03-09-2006, 08:47

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Originally Posted by cashman

a lot of truth in that, main problem with neighbourhood problems is quite simply - you get involved and they take the p***, swear at you, threaten you

No, no, Mr C, you've got it all wrong. "The streets are now safe at night." Graham says so!

andrewb · 03-09-2006, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Yeah Yeah CYFR.. anyone would agree and sign up for that stuff.. but experience tells that the tories may agree with social justice but when it comes to it they don't even know what it means. a tory goverment always intails cuts in public services, low wages, cheap imports, and a view to look after big business (funny how the big corps that supply tory funds applaud the recent cheap labour from the baltic states)

If I had said the same about Labour 9years ago you would have soon corrected me. Why do you have to assume that the Conservatives are exactly the same as they ever were. Labour take huge funding from big corps too. Cuts in public services? Maybe the NHS has more money in it now, but that means absolutly nothing if you ask nurses on the ground. I've spoke to quite a few, one who has been working in the NHS 50years and she says it has never been worse than current.

Wynonie Harris · 03-09-2006, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Maybe the NHS has more money in it now, but that means absolutly nothing if you ask nurses on the ground. I've spoke to quite a few, one who has been working in the NHS 50years and she says it has never been worse than current.

That's because much of the money has been wasted on extra layers of bureacracy, red tape and unworkable new computer systems. My missus works in the NHS and she gets really annoyed about it!

SPUGGIE J · 03-09-2006, 10:07

The NHS is like any other business nowadays as in the collars know more about the coalface than those that are at it so to speak. The NHS needs to go on a diet and a big one at that to loose a large percentage of that excess fat called bureacracy and the bods that live off the misery it causes.

Mancie · 03-09-2006, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

but that means absolutly nothing if you ask nurses on the ground. I've spoke to quite a few, one who has been working in the NHS 50years and she says it has never been worse than current.

how many of these nurses told you they would like cuts in finance?

Mancie · 03-09-2006, 10:19

Never been worse! when was it people were dying on trollies in corridors ? ten years ago.. your disgusting tory party almost dismantled the NHS.. its not good now but its a dam site better then when you lot had it.. come on the tories voted against it in the first place and their natural instinct is to dimantle the NHS! don't give us the same old dilly dally cuts will improve the service and compact it rubbish.. you don't like it, and if you get back in power would try your best to pull it apart bit by bit

andrewb · 03-09-2006, 10:19

I didn't discuss that with them, but without all the beauocracy then theres more money going round for the people that need it in the NHS. Not to mention I don't understand why you are arguing this fact when Cameron hasn't set any figures on cutting tax (well as far as I am aware). Speculation dosn't get you far!

SPUGGIE J · 03-09-2006, 10:24

Dosnt matter who said did impied etc there will always be contensious issues around concerning the plans of a political party. The NHS is the best example and dispite what happens someone will always be unhappy. Thats why we have political parties to stand for what we believe in and whant and take on those that oppose what we want. Ah the joys of the democratic system.

Mancie · 03-09-2006, 10:25

[quote=Cyfr]I didn't discuss that with them, but without all the beauocracy then theres more money going round for the people that need it in the NHS. Not to mention I don't understand why you are arguing this fact when Cameron hasn't set any figures on cutting tax (well as far as I am aware). Speculation dosn't get you far![/quote

cameron has not set any figures on anything!.. we get say 2p in the pound tax cut so we get a few quid a week extra.. but we pay when everything you did not give to the multi nationals (french and germans) like water, gas, electric, and more.. why is cameron different from any other tory? heard it all before bruv.