Built to Last - Page 5

andrewb · 03-09-2006, 11:44

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Maglev trains may be fast but are very expensive to build. Though an hour from London to Glasgow appeals to some. Mind you a train doing 300mph+ through the countryside might not go down too well.

As for voting I aint made my mind up. Last time I had the privelige some of the local as well as national were at the same time making it hard to be sure my vote went where it was supposed to be.

Those trains make no noise though as theres no physical contact!

SPUGGIE J · 03-09-2006, 11:44

Its the future that matters not what happened for good or ill in the past. If lessons have been learned then let it lie. There is enough change and challanges ahead witout rolling out the compost heap contents.

SPUGGIE J · 03-09-2006, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Those trains make no noise though as theres no physical contact!

No put the air disturbance would as they went past. Even the electric trains that run the West Coast lines make more noise through air disturbance than through the motors or tracks.

andrewb · 03-09-2006, 11:48

Ah I did consider that but didn't think it would be that bad... I should have done my research, thankyou for correcting

SPUGGIE J · 03-09-2006, 11:52

I am all in favour of nice fast smooth train journeys but there will always be opposition and the air disturbance to cattle and sheep would have the farmers out with pitch forks and syths.

g jones · 03-09-2006, 17:50

Its always jam tomorrow with Conservatives. Clr Britcliffe is an expert on the subject. How many outside funded projects have there been in the Ob which have actually come to fruitation?

Under British Rail, fares were cheaper, debts non existant, the network more efficient and the subsidies a fraction of the current subisdies. The Tories privatised the railways with the words, 'cutting red tape', 'private sector efficiency' and best of all, 'it will be self financing'.

Cyfr you seem to be accepting public services should be subsidised. You suggest the NHS remain much as it is with less bureacracy the railways should be nationalised and subsidised. What's with the quantum leap?

If you want to run the country Cyfr, you have to come to the table with concrete propositions that can be discussed properly. Cameron is turning into 'Rent a Vote' with his populist off the cuff suggestions.

The Tories need 42% of the vote to get a 12 seat majority. It is obvious Cameron cannot form a stable government on his ideas with just 42% of the vote and the country would head for meltdown. There will be Tory civil war with a small majority. Corporate business, who fund the Tories, have said they want mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania. Cameron clearly has real problems in forming any government.

g jones · 03-09-2006, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

I hate how this is constantly brought up, and to people who don't know what exactly happened, they'll make a link between Cameron/Conservatives and black wednesday, when in actual fact it could have happened under any government.

Norman and his assistant when Cameron was helping thousands of home owners go into negative equity and lose their homes.. see pic of Norman getting advice on why Britian should enter the ERM.

Lamont calls for more Tory policies - Tuesday, 29 Aug 2006 09:56

Former Tory chancellor Norman Lamont says David Cameron needs more policies. David Cameron needs to develop "more policies more quickly" if he is to persuade people to vote for the Conservatives, Norman Lamont has warned.

The former Tory chancellor said that while the new leader was making the party more voter-friendly, he must go further in developing concrete policies, particularly on law and order, taxation and immigration.

And today Mr Lamont warns of the dangers of breaking too much with the old Conservative party, regardless of the need to update the Tories for the 21st century.

"You have to balance your appeal to open-minded voters who can be persuaded to switch their vote with keeping one's core voters as well. Core voters have the option of abstention, which is a rapidly growing party in the British political system," he said.

andrewb · 04-09-2006, 07:58

Okay, quoting the same article..

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Mr Cameron launched a series of policy reviews when he became Tory leader last December, which are not due to report until next year. In the meantime, he has refused to get into any detail, although he has made clear the direction in which he intends to go.

"I think it's wise to take your time on policy – you don't want to come out too early with your detailed ideas because they are liable to get lifted by the opposition," Mr Lamont told epolitix.com.

In the policy announcements that Mr Cameron has made, he has clearly broken with Margaret Thatcher's government in stating that there "is such thing as society, it's just not the same as the state", while this weekend he criticised her opposition to Nelson Mandela and the ANC in the 1980s.

But he has also announced plans to extend the right-to-buy, a key Thatcherite policy, and today Mr Lamont warns of the dangers of breaking too much with the old Conservative party, regardless of the need to update the Tories for the 21st century.

Why did you miss this bit out? because it painted Cameron in a good light?

You copied and pasted mid setence on the 'right-to-buy' paragraph, hope that wasn't because anouncing plans to extend the right-to-buy is the start of a formulating a policy!

We can all selectivly copy and paste to try and prove a point.. I dont think you're ment to though! True New Labour eh Mr Jones!

flashy · 29-01-2008, 22:01

and another one...