Business Rates...

andrewb · 01-04-2009, 19:52

They were going to go up 5%, but now they've gone up 2% with the other 3% being paid 'over several years'. I'm a bit confused. Government have set this, but I thought councils did?

Personally I think it should have been frozen whoever sets it because it was set high due to high inflation, where as now its zero, or less, so should be 0% increase or cut.

lancsdave · 01-04-2009, 22:12

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Originally Posted by andrewb

They were going to go up 5%, but now they've gone up 2% with the other 3% being paid 'over several years'. I'm a bit confused. Government have set this, but I thought councils did?

Personally I think it should have been frozen whoever sets it because it was set high due to high inflation, where as now its zero, or less, so should be 0% increase or cut.

You would think they would be reducing them not increasing them if they want to get the economy going

Mancie · 02-04-2009, 04:46

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Originally Posted by andrewb

They were going to go up 5%, but now they've gone up 2% with the other 3% being paid 'over several years'. I'm a bit confused. Government have set this, but I thought councils did?

Personally I think it should have been frozen whoever sets it because it was set high due to high inflation, where as now its zero, or less, so should be 0% increase or cut.

You are not confused..the impression of a kid deciding his future is a Tory politician is wel known so don't give us the "lost soul" stuff .. the rates for business were set to 5% but have been cut down to 2% because of the recent problems within the "selling" sector... business rates are not set on a yearly basis ...and this or any goverment will set rates according to inflation..they have cut the rate..so whats yer gripe?

jaysay · 02-04-2009, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Mancie

You are not confused..the impression of a kid deciding his future is a Tory politician is wel known so don't give us the "lost soul" stuff .. the rates for business were set to 5% but have been cut down to 2% because of the recent problems within the "selling" sector... business rates are not set on a yearly basis ...and this or any goverment will set rates according to inflation..they have cut the rate..so whats yer gripe?

Well inflation is at 0% so kind of blows your statement out of the water Mancie

Mancie · 02-04-2009, 09:36

Inflation at 0% ... knocks the kak out of the 15% under Thatcher and Norman Lamont...

Tealeaf · 02-04-2009, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Inflation at 0% ... knocks the kak out of the 15% under Thatcher and Norman Lamont...

The RPI may be at 0%.....but the CPI (which is the international comparator and the important figure for business) is at 3.odd %.
Let's get it right before we go any further

And if we're talking about historical inflation rates, 15% under Thatcher blows the kak out of 26% under Callaghan and Healey in the '70s.

jaysay · 02-04-2009, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

The RPI may be at 0%.....but the CPI (which is the international comparator and the important figure for business) is at 3.odd %.
Let's get it right before we go any further

And if we're talking about historical inflation rates, 15% under Thatcher blows the kick out of 26% under Callaghan and Healey in the '70s.

You have to make exceptions for Mancie, Tealeaf, he has a one track mind which slopes badly to the left

Mancie · 02-04-2009, 10:56

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Originally Posted by jaysay

You have to make exceptions for Mancie, Tealeaf, he has a one track mind which slopes badly to the left

I slope badly away from any Tory Policies.. been bitten more than once and that is what I base my outlook on... I was giving an example of the inflation rate we had to endure under the last Tory rule.. 15%? I was being gentle.. the real rate was around 17% for home owners..most people have forgot.. but I'll bet you have not forgot Jaysay but you still tow the Tory line.. you are a traitor to your own... and I somehow think that is not the first time you have been tagged as a traitor.... maybe it's time to take notice in your old age.

jaysay · 02-04-2009, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I slope badly away from any Tory Policies.. been bitten more than once and that is what I base my outlook on... I was giving an example of the inflation rate we had to endure under the last Tory rule.. 15%? I was being gentle.. the real rate was around 17% for home owners..most people have forgot.. but I'll bet you have not forgot Jay Say but you still tow the Tory line.. you are a traitor to your own... and I somehow think that is not the first time you have been tagged as a traitor.... maybe it's time to take notice in your old age.

I haven't got a one sided memory, I remember 26% inflation under Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis) and Silly Billy being told by the IMF to go home and put his own house in order, before they would bail us out again. I also remember the winter of discontent, with rubbish piled in the streets, people unable to bury their dead, all because of the most inept government in history. Well it was until this load of incompetent fools started running round like headless chickens throwing money about like confetti, well not any money but our money, and you have the nerve call me a traitor, Brown and co have sold this country down the river and left us bankrupt, they are the real traitors. So put the whiskey away put the kettle on and smell the coffee and stop looking at the world through rose coloured glasses, or people will be sending for those young men in their white coats and we wouldn't want to see that would we Manci

derekgas · 02-04-2009, 20:59

I thought it was Maggie who said 'crisis? what crisis?' but I could be wrong, where I am not wrong though, is saying that both Labour and Tory governments rarely do much to help the common man, certainly as long as I can remember, it is all look after themselves and thier rich friends! The tories were responsible for making people greedy, and labour have done little or nothing to stem the flow. And to get back on thread, the business rates are a killer, ask anyone in retail, and are responsible for many businesses closing down, there was talk of discounts not long ago, guess it was just the usual... TALK!

jaysay · 03-04-2009, 09:51

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Originally Posted by derekgas

I thought it was Maggie who said 'crisis? what crisis?' but I could be wrong, where I am not wrong though, is saying that both Labour and Tory governments rarely do much to help the common man, certainly as long as I can remember, it is all look after themselves and their rich friends! The tories were responsible for making people greedy, and labour have done little or nothing to stem the flow. And to get back on thread, the business rates are a killer, ask anyone in retail, and are responsible for many businesses closing down, there was talk of discounts not long ago, guess it was just the usual... TALK!

No Derek it was Sunny Jim as he sat on the beach in the West Indies, whilst the rubbish piled up in the streets. The ironic thing about this present government is that they came to power on a wave of hysteria singing things can only get better, twelve years down the line, we are now close to 2 Trillion pounds in debt, 21 hospital trusts have been threatened with closure because of failing cleanliness, more kids are leaving school with less qualifications, not a terrible lot of signs of Whiter than White government and we're 20th of the G20 countries when it came to be equipped to fight the recession, not to mention being duped into two wars with false information. When we were told things can only get better, it must have been a case of D-ream on

Boeing Guy · 03-04-2009, 11:34

'crisis? what crisis?', thats a great album by Supertramp..... i'll get me coat

jaysay · 03-04-2009, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

'crisis? what crisis?', thats a great album by Supertramp..... i'll get me coat

I should think so linking Supertramp to Sunny Jim, disgraceful

andrewb · 03-04-2009, 17:52

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

You would think they would be reducing them not increasing them if they want to get the economy going

You would think so!

Boeing Guy · 03-04-2009, 18:41

Sorry Jaysay, just had to inject some light humour. Maybe I should go to 'School', but then again I think you were 'Bloody well right'.

Sod the coat I'm in the car now!