Cameron on state multiculturalism.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

I've said before, if I ws a local Mullah I'd be organising public demonstrations, showing that Islam has been hijacked by the few, as an excuse for terrorism, and political ends, and that the vast majority of British Muslims are law abiding citizens.

Nothing.

G, you are right about the muslim faith being hijacked by the extremists.......that should be enough to get the clerics blood boiling, the fact that it doesn't raise anything, not a word, an eyebrow, a response, is taken to be that the muslim clerics agree with the acts of extremism.....and until the moderate muslims speak up, then it will remain so.
It cannot be racist, xenophobic, or anti muslim to raise concerns....it is common sense. Alas, I fear it is too late....like the trojan horse, they are within the fabric of our society....and as such are difficult to track down and even more difficult to eradicate due to the daft EHR judges who will most certainly rule against any action that DC might feel is appropriate.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

G, you are right about the muslim faith being hijacked by the extremists.......that should be enough to get the clerics blood boiling, the fact that it doesn't raise anything, not a word, an eyebrow, a response, is taken to be that the muslim clerics agree with the acts of extremism.....and until the moderate muslims speak up, then it will remain so.
It cannot be racist, xenophobic, or anti muslim to raise concerns....it is common sense. Alas, I fear it is too late....like the trojan horse, they are within the fabric of our society....and as such are difficult to track down and even more difficult to eradicate due to the daft EHR judges who will most certainly rule against any action that DC might feel is appropriate.

Of course Margaret it is common sense, but try telling some of these idiots, some of them journalist's who cry racism every time anybody opens their mouth on the subject, I have no doubt that Cameron will come in for some imminence flack by sections of the press, I just hope he sticks two fingers up to them and I don't mean in Churchilian mode either

[Margaret Pilkington]

I am sure I have read something from the British Council of Mosques which castigates DC for his stance...citing islamophobia......but as I say, until these people stand up and denounce the extremists it has be thought that they condone what they(the extremists) are doing.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am sure I have read something from the British Council of Mosques which castigates DC for his stance...citing islamophobia......but as I say, until these people stand up and denounce the extremists it has be thought that they condone what they(the extremists) are doing.

No doubt the BBC will be wheeling out Mr. Bungawolla or whatever he's called from the British Council of Mosques to stick his two penath in, think they have him on a retainer

[cashman]

Funny how none of the opposition soldiers have yet commented on this?? to me its one of the reasons the election was lost.

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

No doubt the BBC will be wheeling out Mr. Bungawolla or whatever he's called from the British Council of Mosques to stick his two penath in, think they have him on a retainer

If you weren't such a lazy Tory you would have Googled before posting!
Mr. Bungawolla is the representative for all things African.
(less walks away muttering, "just can't get the correct racist these days, come back Enoch").

[garinda]

Knowing that some politicans are masters of speaking 'untruths', lies to the rest of us, there's a fair amount of scepticism, that his words turn into action.

It might well be a lot of hot air, but the fact remains he actually said it.

It doesn't matter where that was. He'd have known it would be widely reported in the British press, which it has been.

Empty rhetoric or not, the fact remains that no leading politican, nevermind a leader, from any of the main political parties, have ever spoken publicly about these issues. Cameron did.

I'm sure lots of politicans, who've kept their traps firmly shut about this subject in the past, probably think he took an enormous risk by bringing it into the public arena, by even talking about it.

After all Cameron has a high profile Muslim in his own cabinet, Baroness Warsi. A politican happy to jump up and down demanding equality. Just as long as it fits in with her view of what being equal means. She doesn't think same sex couples should have equality, for instance, because she strongly opposes peoples' right to enter into a civil partnership, if they so wish, granting their union legal equality with that of married straight couples.

I am genuinely happy Cameron's become the first mainstream politican to talk about this subject, and at least realised it is an important issue for many people.

If it turns out to be a case of more guff, and meaningless platitudes, I'll be the first to attack him.

We'll just have to wait and see, but I'm happy the subject has at least become a newsworthy story, and therefore a public debate.

[Margaret Pilkington]

It has certainly got people talking, and that is no bad thing.
I really do hope that DC has some ideas to implement, that will show he is not just 'all talk'.
Divorcing us from EU legislation would be a fine start.

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by garinda

As stated, it's a start.

At least someone has realised dialogue should be started about this problem.

Withdrawing state funding from organisations who perpetuate separatism, is more than talk.

Thirteen years, and three consequtive governments were quite happy with the status quo, and were too afraid to tackle the issue.

The last Tory to speak out against the excessive immigration programs which have blighted much of the country was Enoch Powel - and he was ostracised for it, notwithstanding that he spoke the truth! Cameron is very good with his wordplay, but when push comes to shove, he will undoubtedly scamper off into a dark corner with his tail between his legs.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Stumped

The last Tory to speak out against the excessive immigration programs which have blighted much of the country was Enoch Powel - and he was ostracised for it, notwithstanding that he spoke the truth! Cameron is very good with his wordplay, but when push comes to shove, he will undoubtedly scamper off into a dark corner with his tail between his legs.

Two different issues.

Powell's speech was about immigration, this is about state aided multiculturalism.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

If you weren't such a lazy Tory you would have Googled before posting!
Mr. Bungawolla is the representative for all things African.
(less walks away muttering, "just can't get the correct racist these days, come back Enoch").

The guy I'm on about as a name sumat like that and this chap is definately a spokesman for the Islamic Council

[Margaret Pilkington]

Jonh...think you mean Inayat Banglawalla.....he is something to do with the Muslim Council for Britain....he has been on the BBC speaking on a variety of issues concerning muslims.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Spot on G, the first place to start when it comes to funding is the National Lottery, which seems to like fund weird groups at the expense of charities such as the Blind Society

I agree, like the £1,850,000,000 the lottery has wasted on the 2012 Olympics.

I have recently received to letters from a lottery funding basicly saying thank you for your funding bid but we dont have enough money in the pot so you cant have any.

These were for less than £100,000 combined (can't remember the exact figures without looking) so 2 parks in Hyndburn, Rhyddings Park and Peel Park will be missing out. Its ok though, you can watch the Olympics on TV for a couple of weeks instead, well worth it

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

I agree, like the £1,850,000,000 the lottery has wasted on the 2012 Olympics.

I have recently received to letters from a lottery funding basicly saying thank you for your funding bid but we dont have enough money in the pot so you cant have any.

These were for less than £100,000 combined (can't remember the exact figures without looking) so 2 parks in Hyndburn, Rhyddings Park and Peel Park will be missing out. Its ok though, you can watch the Olympics on TV for a couple of weeks instead, well worth it

You need to change your name.

The White Liberal Supremacist Friends of Rhyddings Park could be holding you back.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cashman

Funny how none of the opposition soldiers have yet commented on this?? to me its one of the reasons the election was lost.

I quite agree.