Cameron on state multiculturalism.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

Ooooh! cross dressing comes to accyweb.

May as well move this thread straight to the 18's section.

Who's going to get their hands on the muff?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by andrewb

A Labour politician did speak about what Cameron said..

"Sadiq Khan, a prominent Muslim Labour MP, accused the PM of “writing propaganda for the EDL”."

David Cameron accused of far-right propaganda by saying UK too tolerant of extreme Muslim beliefs - mirror.co.uk

Well, of course he would say that wouldn't he?

It is time some of the moderate muslims(where are they all anyway?) came out and agreed with what is being said.

If people choose to live here, to bring up children here, to claim benefits here, to get health care here....then they should have the courtesy to integrate......not to try and develop some kind of muslim state for themselves.....or to try and change the way we live so that their way of life can be accommodated.
This is not racism, it is common sense.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Well, of course he would say that wouldn't he?

It is time some of the moderate muslims(where are they all anyway?) came out and agreed with what is being said.

If people choose to live here, to bring up children here, to claim benefits here, to get health care here....then they should have the courtesy to integrate......not to try and develop some kind of muslim state for themselves.....or to try and change the way we live so that their way of life can be accommodated.
This is not racism, it is common sense.

If only the editorials of the Independent and the Guardian agreed with you Margaret, we might just stand a chance

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It is time some of the moderate muslims(where are they all anyway?)

I think they all live on my street, not only are they moderate but they must be tolerant to put up with me!

[Wynonie Harris]

Still not a single comment from any local councillor, Labour or Tory, either for or against Cameron's views.

I predict that the only councillor who will comment will be Ken, whose views on matters like these bear scant relation to Labour party policy anyway.

Pathetic.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

I think they all live on my street, not only are they moderate but they must be tolerant to put up with me!

Tolerant Less, they must be bloody saints

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Still not a single comment from any local councillor, Labour or Tory, either for or against Cameron's views.

I predict that the only councillor who will comment will be Ken, whose views on matters like these bear scant relation to Labour party policy anyway.

Pathetic.

Well there is know political points to score Wyn,

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

I think they all live on my street, not only are they moderate but they must be tolerant to put up with me!

Have you any influence on them at all Less?

Wouldn't they stand up and be counted against the extremists?
Because that is what is needed....for every moderate muslim to stand up and proclaim their stance against extremism.....but it won't happen, culturally they won't go against their own kind...no matter what atrocities are committed in the name of Islam.

For goodness sake, many of them don't even speak our language.

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Tolerant Less, they must be bloody saints

Wrong religion, besides I keep promising them 74 Virgins, they know I must be joking because the reply is always, "where you going to find that many? Can't be from around Accrington".

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Have you any influence on them at all Less?

About as much influence on them as I have over my white neighbours, we aren't missionaries you know, we all live here and get on reasonably well.

Wouldn't they stand up and be counted against the extremists?
Because that is what is needed....for every moderate muslim to stand up and proclaim their stance against extremism.....but it won't happen, culturally they won't go against their own kind...no matter what atrocities are committed in the name of Islam.

I don't know, but if you are really curious you could go knocking door to door to find out.

For goodness sake, many of them don't even speak our language.

For goodness sake, hardly ANY of us have ever bothered with a second language!

Our idea of communication is to shout at the natives when we are abroad, even when we move there to live.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Wrong religion, besides I keep promising them 74 Virgins, they know I must be joking because the reply is always, "where you going to find that many? Can't be from around Accrington".

You've more bottle than me making a statement like that Less

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

For goodness sake, hardly ANY of us have ever bothered with a second language!

Our idea of communication is to shout at the natives when we are abroad, even when we move there to live.

I don't think that is strictly true........many of us learn languages to go to holiday destinations......we might do it badly.....we might even feel very uncomfortable speaking it....but we try, and in trying, we endear ourselves to the locals....who then take pity on us, and show us that they do speak english......if only a little, and a common respect is born out of this.

That has been my experience anyway....and I go off my own experiences.

I am pretty sure that if I moved, lock stock and barrel to another country I would either choose one where english is spoken, or I would make a concerted effort to learn the language, enough to let the indigents know that I was trying to integrate........I certainly would not expect to have my adopted country to make changes to its culture, to accommodate mine.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

indigents

Thats what I said, natives

Less wanders off mumbling to himself about, PC madness, it's everywhere can't even have a prejudiced conversation without it rearing it's ugly head!

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Still not a single comment from any local councillor, Labour or Tory, either for or against Cameron's views.

I predict that the only councillor who will comment will be Ken, whose views on matters like these bear scant relation to Labour party policy anyway.

Pathetic.

Not really been following this thread...oops!

For what it's worth, I agree with the sentiments. There is absolutely nothing racist about wanting a strong national identity, Scotland has it, Ireland has it, Wales has it....in England it's a bit of a sticky wicket sometimes due to some wonderfully PC thinking. For years we've had different communities forcibly rammed together and it hasn't always worked because of the one thing which people still fail to recognise - we're all different. It isn't a bad thing, I can't imagine anything worse than a world where everyone is the same, but people resist having things forced on them.

Naturally, it's a good opportunity for many people to cry 'racism' but I can't see the problem with the Prime Minister of Great Britain wanting to protect the country he is head of. Time will tell if it's just empty rhetoric but I can't criticise Mr Cameron for standing up and saying what he thinks.

I'm not going to disagree with something simply because it's from a non-Labour politician.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

Thats what I said, natives

Less wanders off mumbling to himself about, PC madness, it's everywhere can't even have a prejudiced conversation without it rearing it's ugly head!

Natives...indigents, (they are only words)......Less, mutter away, but I think you are being a bit pedantic....as far as I am concerned, and in the context of the thread,it means the same thing. That is, unless you have any other ideas.