Camerons Speech - Page 3

Mancie · 11-10-2007, 20:39

The Tories get more and more like the Lib Dems by the day!..grabbing unrealist figures out of thin air, it was only a few weeks ago that Cameron said he would save British business £14 billion by "cutting red tape".. the only way to save anything like that sort of money would be by abolishing the minimum wage, abolishing maternity leave, and by taking health and safety regulations back into the 19th century!

Cameron can make as many promises as he likes, and as Garinda says, the old Tories must be choking on their brandy... but if he is ever elected those "old Tories" will get rid of him within 2 years.

Wynonie Harris · 11-10-2007, 20:50

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but if he is ever elected those "old Tories" will get rid of him within 2 years.

Possibly, but Old Labour never got rid of Bliar, even after he'd chucked out clause 4 from the party constitution. Power is a great aphrodisiac!

Mancie · 11-10-2007, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Possibly, but Old Labour never got rid of Bliar, even after he'd chucked out clause 4 from the party constitution. Power is a great aphrodisiac!

OK..but clause 4 was chucked out mainly by the unions by a vote... and it was before Labour/Blair won the election... there is no way the grass roots nor the Maggie loving MP's in the Tory party will put up with a "soft socialist" like Cameron for to long, they ache for the good old 80's up down economy... Cameron has to deliver tax cuts, and the sort of tax cuts were the big earners save the most money.

Wynonie Harris · 11-10-2007, 21:36

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there is no way the grass roots nor the Maggie loving MP's in the Tory party will put up with a "soft socialist" like Cameron for to long, they ache for the good old 80's up down economy...

The grass roots of the Labour party probably yearn for the days of mass nationalisation and beer and sandwiches with the union bosses at no 10, but they've put up with a "soft capitalist" like Tony for the last ten years. Seems to me that Nu-Labour and Tory-lite are mirror images of each other these days!

garinda · 11-10-2007, 23:30

Saddened, but not really suprised, to see Cameron going back on his word.

He'd promised to keep the Punch and Judy element out of British politics, and there he was this week at Prime Minister's Question Time, going at it like Queen Bitch of the Bitch people.

andrewb · 12-10-2007, 09:10

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agree with AB wasn't a bad speech, what it omitted was how the hell he was going to pay for it. lol according to economists anyway. as for brown pinching the policies cyfr if he did he watered em down a bit and SAID how he was going to pay for em.

Cameron laid down EXACTLY how he was going to pay for it. Don't listen to Brown propaganda!

andrewb · 12-10-2007, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Cameron can make as many promises as he likes, and as Garinda says, the old Tories must be choking on their brandy... but if he is ever elected those "old Tories" will get rid of him within 2 years.

Im not so sure I can believe that. When he was elected as leader he was clearly a "compassionate Conservative" if you will. He was elected by the grass roots, over 2/3 of them voted for him over the ring-wing Thatcherite policies of David Davis. And these are the "Old Torys" voting as people who joined the party just before Cameron was elected (Like me) didn't get to vote as you have to be a member for 6months.

Unfortunately as Politics goes you will always hear lots of a noise from a small minority, such as that of grammar schools. In reality when you wipe away the media gloss its not quite so hardcut. The press just love to blow things out of proportion, it gets them money.

cashman · 12-10-2007, 12:37

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Cameron laid down EXACTLY how he was going to pay for it. Don't listen to Brown propaganda!

i was listening to economists not brown.

as i previously said,but typical tory= reads the bits they want. pmsl

andrewb · 12-10-2007, 12:42

Where did you read it?

cashman · 12-10-2007, 12:47

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Where did you read it?

didn't read it,was listening to one of the news channels. you will never make a politition cyfr, i said listening not reading. pmsl

Ianto.W. · 13-10-2007, 22:26

This was a case of the not so sure preaching to the born in the right bed bunch who's only interest is living off the back's of the less fotunate, and more poorly educated.Not very much in there about improving primary and junior education, just about who keep's the money in their pot and make sure it stay's in the family, regardless of ability or common sense. Makes more sense if the cash goes round, and not the old top hat and tail brigade Lobster guzling louts at Royal Ascot.

andrewb · 13-10-2007, 22:30

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Originally Posted by cashman

didn't read it,was listening to one of the news channels. you will never make a politition cyfr, i said listening not reading. pmsl

People can still say they were listening to economists and have read it.. Whats your problem?

Oh yeah, first link I clicked in google said this:

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The tax cuts would be paid for by a new £25,000 annual levy on around 150,000 people with 'non-domiciled offshore tax status', including not just Russian oligarchs like Roman Abramovich but foreign City workers and millionaires from around the world who have retired in the UK.

Seems pretty clear to me without listening to some economist who you can't seem to point a finger at to give some evidence so I can try and understand what they were saying.

cashman · 13-10-2007, 22:35

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People can still say they were listening to economists and have read it.. Whats your problem?

aint got a problem, you may just understand tongue in cheek,or the like when you get a bit older.

andrewb · 13-10-2007, 22:42

I just read how Brown is going to fund his inheritance, surprise surprise its the exact same idea of the Conservatives way of funding theirs! So if Brown can fund his they can fund theirs!

cashman · 13-10-2007, 22:48

with brown who is better than blair, the jurys out as far as i am concerned, what i would say regarding funding as i aint read it, he has had 10 years as chancellor, so is in a better position,than "shadow" chancellors to justify it.