Can any Accy web Labour supporters justify this legacy

[SamF]

Daily Mail, not racist, but number 1 with racists.

To be blunt, who gives a **** what colour people are.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by SamF

To be blunt, who gives a **** what colour people are.

Everyone's coloured or else you wouldn't be able to see 'em!

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by SamF

Daily Mail, not racist, but number 1 with racists.

To be blunt, who gives a **** what colour people are.

To be honest If you play football in the Premier League I t does form a large part of your football strip.

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Mention Hereward the Wake round here to kids and they'd think you were talking about somebody from Great Harwood

Oy! That's me youz maligning. Although I've been settled in Tackytown for many a year, I'll always be proud to be a born and bred Arroder

[Eric]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Not really , but would have thought it would matter if the instant "new' population had no idea/comprehension/understanding about such things as the Magna Carta, Hereward the Wake , Bodecia , War of the Roses, all the stuff that was knocked into my generations head about what it was to be English , I'm sure Scottish and Welsh kids had similar stuff about their own national history taught to them, stuff which is absorbed/assimilated into the family psyche over more than one generation, now it seems all this stuff is 'verboten' and the "heros" are folks like Mandela and Ghandi .
Think the best example I can use are the Brits who emigrated to Australia/Canada/New Zealand in the 50s and 60s , the parents still had their British roots but the next generation are pure Oz/Canuk/Kiwi , this doesn't seem to be happening to the 'new' British.
hope that made sense

If the British Cultural Heritage is worth anything ... and I happen to believe it is ... it will survive, regardless. Canada's cultural heritage (and it's Canuck, by the way) is of relatively new manufacture and is still being forged. We are a country of immigrants, one which is coming to terms to the debt owed to our First Nations. Most Canadians who volunteered to fight in WWl did so because they were recent immigrants from the Mother Country. All of them returned Canadians, proud of what they had accomplished. And it is from that recent point in history that we can date our growth as a nation with a distinct identity. A fairly recent poll discovered that over 80% of English Canadians considered themselves "Patriotic Canadians" .... surprisingly, over 60% of Quebecois also placed themselves in this category. If this ramble has any significance, it does suggest that a nation in it's formative period can absorb new cultural "additives" quite smoothly as it works to form itself. In the UK, immigrants arrive and settle in a country which has already created an identity, one which has taken centuries to create. I can understand that there is resentment among many in Britain that the certainties of heritage are being modified .... the ones who are oppose to change would say "undermined", the ones who support change would stress that it is an improvement.

By the way, I am a strong Labour supporter .... I am a member of the New Deomocratic Party, which is a heck of a lot like "Old Labour."

[spignific]

Yes,It would actually bother a lot to me if England became 51% non originals.it would mean i dont like to lose that originality and suddenly be a minority in my own place!!! .it does not mean i object to new people and cultures or view certain people in a pre arranged way.its simply accepting other people for what they are yet not wanting to give all our heritage away.
its a balance,yet a balance i want to keep us not losing out on

[Alan Varrechia]

We could call it The United Nations of Great Britain. Now doesn't that sound good. In the good old fair ground tradition, come one come all.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

They won't touch it with a ten foot barge poll SJirrespective of where the article is from

Why not, John? Don't tar everyone with the same brush because I doubt we'll get a response from any of your old lot either.

It is of some concern to me that the native English are being discriminated against in their own country to a point where it is more beneficial to be a foreigner. Skin colour probably wouldn't have come into it were it not thanks to a series of increasingly PC measures which have now enabled people to cry 'racism' and take full advantage of the system.

I witnessed first hand in Hammersmith how 'British' was a surefire way of being relegated to the bottom of the housing queue behind Asians. Is it any wonder that British-born people of Asian descent prefer to think of themselves as Pakistani or otherwise?

It's a sticky subject that people avoid talking about precisely so that they aren't considered racist even for the most innoccuous of comments. I'm all for the idea of 'fit in or ship out' for visitors to any country around the world but we're now so far down the path of political correctness that England is becoming a foreign country to the natives.

The world is changing and people are moving about far more than ever before but there is a huge difference between multiculturalism and positive discrimination, something which I absolutely cannot abide. Discrimination by definition means that one group loses out over another so why is one way racist and the other way not?

I wouldn't expect special treatment in any other country, Great Britain really needs to tighten up on that.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It's a sticky subject that people avoid talking about precisely so that they aren't considered racist even for the most innoccuous of comments. I'm all for the idea of 'fit in or ship out' for visitors to any country around the world but we're now so far down the path of political correctness that England is becoming a foreign country to the natives.

The world is changing and people are moving about far more than ever before but there is a huge difference between multiculturalism and positive discrimination, something which I absolutely cannot abide. Discrimination by definition means that one group loses out over another so why is one way racist and the other way not?

I wouldn't expect special treatment in any other country, Great Britain really needs to tighten up on that.

Well said that man.
Now please can you see what you can do about HBC onlt printing leaflets and other information only in English instead of wasting all that money printing them in many languages? Maybe that would be a good money saving crusade for you.

How much does it cost HBC to produce information in not English languages and pay for translators?

How do I put a FOI request in and what does it cost? From past experiance I know you have to word them precisely to stop them "working around them" shall we say (don't ask I wont explain)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Why not, John? Don't tar everyone with the same brush because I doubt we'll get a response from any of your old lot either.

It is of some concern to me that the native English are being discriminated against in their own country to a point where it is more beneficial to be a foreigner. Skin colour probably wouldn't have come into it were it not thanks to a series of increasingly PC measures which have now enabled people to cry 'racism' and take full advantage of the system.

I witnessed first hand in Hammersmith how 'British' was a surefire way of being relegated to the bottom of the housing queue behind Asians. Is it any wonder that British-born people of Asian descent prefer to think of themselves as Pakistani or otherwise?

It's a sticky subject that people avoid talking about precisely so that they aren't considered racist even for the most innocuous of comments. I'm all for the idea of 'fit in or ship out' for visitors to any country around the world but we're now so far down the path of political correctness that England is becoming a foreign country to the natives.

The world is changing and people are moving about far more than ever before but there is a huge difference between multiculturalism and positive discrimination, something which I absolutely cannot abide. Discrimination by definition means that one group loses out over another so why is one way racist and the other way not?

I wouldn't expect special treatment in any other country, Great Britain really needs to tighten up on that.

Something we can agree on Ken, when I made my original post I did not include you This country is the only one in the world were racism is looked for when there is none, but it has a reveres effect on the indigenous population, when we are continually told we have to change to accommodate people from outside our shores, when in fact if left alone there would be no problem i.e. calling Christmas the Winter Festival so as not to upset people of other faiths. All these cockamamie ideas are perpetrated by the provisional wing of the Guardian, who's recruiting comes from the job pages of that newspaper, I use newspaper in the lightest terms

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by spignific

Yes,It would actually bother a lot to me if England became 51% non originals.it would mean i dont like to lose that originality and suddenly be a minority in my own place!!!

So what exactly constitutes a "non-original" as you somewhat quaintly put it? Don't forget that by 2066, a lot of those who are the subject of the Mail's scare story (ie those who have a different coloured skin to yourself) will be third, fourth and fifth generation Britons. Do they count as "non-originals"? How many generations back do you have to have 100% white British parents to be accepted as an "original"? And what about white immigrants from other European countries? Do they count as "non-originals" or are they part of the bealeagured white minority, along with the rest of us?

Also worth remembering that the most powerful nation on earth is largely composed of "non-originals" by your definition!

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Also worth remembering that the most powerful nation on earth is largely composed of "non-originals" by your definition!

North Koreans look like they are original to me

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Neil

Well said that man.
Now please can you see what you can do about HBC onlt printing leaflets and other information only in English instead of wasting all that money printing them in many languages? Maybe that would be a good money saving crusade for you.

How much does it cost HBC to produce information in not English languages and pay for translators?

How do I put a FOI request in and what does it cost? From past experiance I know you have to word them precisely to stop them "working around them" shall we say (don't ask I wont explain)

FOI requests should be sent to [email protected] and you're quite right about the wording needing to be specific. That generally goes for all government business as I've found to my annoyance!

I would urge you all to use the service if something is niggling you, the whole council should be publicly accountable in all areas.