Can Peter pay Paul so Paul can pay Peter?

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Mancie

FACT...the closest Britian has come to joining any EU single currency was when the Thatcher Government joined the ERM (European Exchange Rate Mechanism) the for runner of the Euro..and those without short memories or blue tinted specs will know the sort of damage that did to our economy.

here here and people forget the tories signed the maastrich treaty while trying to fend off a back bench revolt over europe i keep seeing de ja vu

[Boeing Guy]

Just remind me who opposed the opt out of social provisions for the Maastricht Treaty..... Was it Labour by any chance? Or is that rose tinted specs.
Then there's the, Nice and Lisbon Treaties all of which have taken away more power from us, all since 1997-2007.

A saying involving Glasshouses comes to mind.

[cmonstanley]

the social provisions to fight poverty and give workers rights the same ones the tories are trying to eradicate now by trying to get rid of the tupe regulations etc

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Just remind me who opposed the opt out of social provisions for the Maastricht Treaty..... Was it Labour by any chance? Or is that rose tinted specs.
Then there's the, Nice and Lisbon Treaties all of which have taken away more power from us, all since 1997-2007.

A saying involving Glasshouses comes to mind.

What "opt out" of social provisions are you on about? .. The Treaty of Rome was signed way back in the 70's by the Heath Government... the Lisbon Treaty was simply the ratification of the Maastricht Treaty which had been signed by John Major (but that's not how the tory press reported it)... I hope you know how to pilot planes around Europe better than you know the facts on treaties.

[Boeing Guy]

There's no need to be personal Mancie, okay so maybe I was wrong on this.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

There's no need to be personal Mancie, okay so maybe I was wrong on this.

Well there's one thing I think we both remember about treaties BG is we didn't get the promised referendum before the one eye jock signed the Lisbon treaty

[Acrylic-bob]

or liqidated the country's gold reserves

or attempted to fix future elections by inviting in anyone who cared to come

or failed to regulate the city

or signed us up to bail out europe

and so on and so on...

there are none so blind as the ideologically hidebound and blinkered

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

or liqidated the country's gold reserves

or attempted to fix future elections by inviting in anyone who cared to come

or failed to regulate the city

or signed us up to bail out europe

and so on and so on...

there are none so blind as the ideologically hidebound and blinkered

But you won't get any points from Mancie or C'mon for telling it like it is...they see the whole thing through specs of a different colour.
Well said A-B....and not because I am a tory supporter, but because it is true.

[Acrylic-bob]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

But you won't get any points from Mancie or C'mon for telling it like it is...they see the whole thing through specs of a different colour.
Well said A-B....and not because I am a tory supporter, but because it is true.

I am not labouring under any delusions that what I have to say can influence anyone or change what they think. I leave that sort of madness to politicians.

These two do come across a bit like a tired old double act, same jokes/opinions every night. And everytime we hear them they are less and less funny/relevant.

[Margaret Pilkington]

No, we the sensible ones.....(for that is how I see those who can see through the spin of political smoke and mirrors) will not change much, despite the fact that we should be able to(through democratic process). And I have to say that I am open to reasoned discussion, and well thought out arguments, but as you have observed the same old, same old gets trotted out for a regular airing without any real thought having been put into what is being said, no real vision having been used, just the blinkered version that they are fed....they are just led by their own political dogma.
Ah well, never mind. What can you do when your shoes let the watter in(as my Gran used to say over an insoluble problem).

[Acrylic-bob]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Ah well, never mind. What can you do when your shoes let the watter in.

Get the six inch heels out, Margaret, and camp it up!

[cmonstanley]

isnt our fault you dont know the true facts and not the ones you read in the tory dominated press

[Acrylic-bob]

oh go on, you'll be trying to tell us next that there is no such thing as the tooth fairy and that father Christmas is just a money making scheme dreamt up by evil capitalists for their own enrichment.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

isnt our fault you dont know the true facts and not the ones you read in the tory dominated press

ey up! Peas have getten the'r yeds above sticks!

Maybe, if you gave us a few true facts instead of doctored Labour spin, we might learn a bit....ah, but I forget your main talent in life is cutting and pasting from sensationalist headlines....not good at doing your own dialogue are you?(that was a rhetorical question by the way)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

isnt our fault you dont know the true facts and not the ones you read in the tory dominated press

Now thats a joke, wasn't aware you could read