Can We Ever Trust The Russians?

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by Less

I wonder what real news is being buried under this throw back to the sixties, 'Red under the Bed', propaganda?

How can the blatant murder of a Russian dissident on the streets of London be propaganda?, pray tell us Less.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

The Peoples Republic of China at the moment! Also, I'd add Vietnam to that list also, oh, and Cuba . . . and all the past ones. Just part of my world!

So why would the Chinese Vietnamese or Cubans want to kill a Russian dissident?

If it really was polonium the very scarcity of the stuff makes it a strange choice.

Of course it would have been far easier to shoot, stab, strangle or even clobber him over the head with a blunt instrument (I've played Cluedo you know!) but dong so would merely have left a dead person who happened to be Russian.

Killing him with a mysterious radioactive poison creates political intrigue which then begs the question why would the Russian 'powers that be' do something to draw attention to themselves in this way? BTW there's no longer a KGB either, it's called something else now which I have momentarily forgotten.

It does of course leave us with another possibility that polonium was used intentionally in order to draw attention to his murder and to cause people to assume that it was 'the Russians'. Now who would do a thing like that I wonder? It couldn't possibly be a secret service like MI5/6 could it? On the other hand, supposing the Russians wanted us to think that our chaps would do something like that to discredit them - would they have done it as a sort of double-bluff?

OK, now my head hurts!

[Less]

Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

How can the blatant murder of a Russian dissident on the streets of London be propaganda?, pray tell us Less.

Why don't you give us absolute proof that all this is what has happened, you have made yourself accywebs 'Russian Expert', I personally will await some official report as to what led to this gentlemans death, then if it turns out that this fantastic tale of bungling is true I will no longer consider it to be 'propaganda', until then however I will give the head of the Russian state the benefit of the doubt that if he wanted to have someone assassinated he could employ people of competence to do the job for him.

[Ianto.W.]

No need to personally attack me Less, I did not seek to attack you, only an answer to your previous reply, may be they will find that he died of natural causes as would happen in Russia?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

No need to personally attack me Less, I did not seek to attack you, only an answer to your previous reply, may be they will find that he died of natural causes as would happen in Russia?

It was not an attack, you can't prove it was me where are the traces of residual radioactivity?

It wasn't an attack, you have put forward many theories about the Russians, I bow to your superior knowledge on these people but I will still await some form of sensible confirmation about what has happened than join in the 'only good red is a dead red', mentality that seems to percolate through this thread.

[Ianto.W.]

LesIt wasn't an attack, you have put forward many theories about the Russians,

Not theories Less, thoughts/questions lead to an interesting debate the conclusion is another story.

[Tealeaf]

Quite frankly, I am appaled that this has occured. On sunday afternoon, I made one of my occaisional forays into London's West End in order to meet up with a few chums for a pint or two, in a pub just off Grosvenor Square. I forgot about sunday's footy, so not only was the pub almost packed with hordes of retarded zombies watching those two faggot teams, Man U & Chelsea, but any available space was taken up by idiot cameramen and journalists, hot-shot from the Millenium (Polonium) hotel round the corner.

I have no problem with these buggars knocking each other off - but please, please, do it in such a way that the results do not interfere with my precious drinking time.

[Less]

In spite of the above (and not to cause an uproar), I have absolutely zero trust in any Communist Regime. I believe history would support this conclusion.

Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

The Peoples Republic of China at the moment! Also, I'd add Vietnam to that list also, oh, and Cuba . . . and all the past ones. Just part of my world!

I do apologise, I'd almost forgotten you LYY, but the Russians are no longer Communists, the thread is, Can We Ever Trust The Russians? I agree that the other people you mention are communists, but, the question is about trusting the Russians, not giving in to the Americans seemingly God given right to be paranoid about anything that doesn't fall within their narrow platform of freedom.

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by Less

I do apologise, I'd almost forgotten you LYY, but the Russians are no longer Communists, the thread is, Can We Ever Trust The Russians? I agree that the other people you mention are communists, but, the question is about trusting the Russians, not giving in to the Americans seemingly God given right to be paranoid about anything that doesn't fall within their narrow platform of freedom.

Less is quite correct the question asked was "Can we ever trust the Russians", mistakes made by the USA in other theaters of conflict IE China, Vietnam is for another thread.

[LancYorkYankee]

Originally Posted by Less

I do apologise, I'd almost forgotten you LYY, but the Russians are no longer Communists, the thread is, Can We Ever Trust The Russians? I agree that the other people you mention are communists, but, the question is about trusting the Russians, not giving in to the Americans seemingly God given right to be paranoid about anything that doesn't fall within their narrow platform of freedom.

Dear Less, so sorry to keep you waiting for a reply to your drivelling/obnoxious reply!

Am I a schoolboy to be chastised by you? I think not! As you can see by my original response to the thread, I gave my general OPINION on Governments in general. Also, after 70 years of Communist Rule in Russia, I FEEL that there is a strong communistic mentally that still persists throughout the former USSR.

How dare you attack my contribution to this thread by turning it into an Anti-American blather. That also is not part of this thread. I believe I've seen at least a few times over the year that, on ocassion, a thread contribution may subsist of a general opinion of said contributor. Although somewhat unrelated to the aforementioned topic.

Here is my reply to the subject in it's entirety:

After years and years of proven History, is there any government body that can be trusted? Who really knows what goes on behind those closed doors be it Washington, DC, the Kremlin, 10 Downing Street, etc,.

My first real taste of Government letdown was the Watergate scandal. As a young teen, I had a hard time seeing my "trusted" leader straight up lying. I guess it was just a way to thrust me into reality.

In spite of the above (and not to cause an uproar), I have absolutely zero trust in any Communist Regime. I believe history would support this conclusion.

Maybe we shoiuld conduct a bloody poll as to whether your response to the above was in anuy way warranted? Hopefully you were just having a bad day reminicing on the peace, love and understanding of the Former Communistic Russian Regime!

Have a wonderful day Comrade!

Hugs and Kisses,

Brian

p.s. wonder how many took my rant seriously?

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

p.s. wonder how many took my rant seriously?

Is that what it was. I thought it was a history lesson for the politically inept.

[Ianto.W.]

LancsYorkYankee. Am I a schoolboy to be chastised by you? I think not!

Brian not at all, I cannot speak for any other members we all have our own views or foibles, you have yours I have mine, some are more abrasive than others, please do not take umbrage, I personally look under the bed every night, Regads Ian. .

[bullseyebarb]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I would trust the Russians as far as I would trust the Yanks and for my money the Yanks are the biggest threat to world peace.

You can't possibly be serious!

The Russians have a long history of political assassinations. Pre-Soviet, Soviet, post-Soviet. Remember Trotsky and the ice-axe?

Yes, the Soviet Union may have collapsed - but Russia is far from democratic. For the last few years, Putin has been consolidating his power. He's a former Head of the KGB and knows how to do it. We cannot trust him or his government. To compare Russia or any Communist/totalitarian country with America or any of the other Western democracies is just ludicrous. Use your noodle, man!

[mani]

bulls eye - so do the americans

maybe not quite to the extent of assassinations but whole politicial regime changes etc

russia just tends to target ppl meddling its own affairs such as this russian spy

[bullseyebarb]

Originally Posted by mani

bulls eye - so do the americans

maybe not quite to the extent of assassinations but whole politicial regime changes etc

russia just tends to target ppl meddling its own affairs such as this russian spy

Oh, come on - get a grip! At least you had the presence of mind to correct yourself on the assassination charge. As to political regime change - you bet ya. If the West was serious about peace in the world it would be looking to do a lot more of that. Iran for starters. The Iranian people are begging for change.