Cap "tippin" farm hands

Driller · 08-04-2006, 06:11

Just to say It's the national today.. great race for all to see and enjoy, but the people that try to confuse us "YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE"..by saying this has anything to do with fox hunting (that has been outlawed) by Parliment.. Parliment.. the seat of democracy, are mostly "cap tippin farm hands" mi lord.. these same people attacked and tried, by force, to enter the houses of parliment but by the bravery of our police were prevented.. except for Brian Ferry's son and some other nutters (there sentance was like 60 hours community service!). GOD save us from the countryside alliance!

SPUGGIE J · 08-04-2006, 10:47

The countryside alliance is just trying to defend a way of life that has been around for hundreds of years. They are in some ways no different from a union protecting a way of life for its members. In both cases they defend jobs and rights and can push it to the extreme for better or worse.

pendy · 11-04-2006, 17:13

I don't think any member of the Countryside Alliance has ever thrown bent nails under a horse's hooves, or strung chicken wire between two trees at a rider's neck height, both of which I know have happened. A lot of jobs are involved in hunting, more than most people realise. You can't go ratting with a terrier anymore, either - so it's not just some elite who suffer. The idea that hunting is a "posh" sport is one which a visit to any hunt would dispel. Any takers?

Driller · 11-04-2006, 20:33

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Originally Posted by pendy

I don't think any member of the Countryside Alliance has ever thrown bent nails under a horse's hooves, or strung chicken wire between two trees at a rider's neck height, both of which I know have happened. A lot of jobs are involved in hunting, more than most people realise. You can't go ratting with a terrier anymore, either - so it's not just some elite who suffer. The idea that hunting is a "posh" sport is one which a visit to any hunt would dispel. Any takers?

So.. members of the CA are just a jolly good bunch of gentile chaps and ladies defending jobs in the community? I'm sure they would never dream of throwing stuff under horses hooves but are not to bothered about throwing empty beer bottles at the police! so who were the drunken thugs ripping up barriers and storming an elected parliament?... maybe next time they should "set the hounds on them"

staggeringman · 12-04-2006, 00:19

serious question............driller what have you got against farmers?
i love the countryside and everything to do with it, you seem to have a problem with it ? so what you getting at?

Driller · 12-04-2006, 09:34

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Originally Posted by staggeringman

serious question............driller what have you got against farmers?
i love the countryside and everything to do with it, you seem to have a problem with it ? so what you getting at?

OK Staggerman, I’ve made a couple of comments on this site re-farmers (and the Countryside Alliance) as far as farmers go its nothing personal, I know that for some it’s a struggle, but I will criticise the industry as a whole.
At the start of the fuel protests “farmers for action” along with the CA turned up in 40k gas guzzling range rovers to blockaded fuel depots and in the next breath they say they are all skint! They gave out deadlines and openly stated the intent to “bring down” the Government, I’d call that holding the country to ransom.
During the disaster of the foot and mouth crisis, which of course was horrendous for farmers with cattle, full compensation was given yet leaders of the industry complained that not enough had been done.
The Countryside Alliance gives the impression of an organisation upholding the virtues, heritage and traditions of the country. In my opinion they are just a branch of the Tory party except they flaunt laws they happen to dislike, and have used violence to get their point across.
The countryside is a treasure for everyone and the people that live and work there know a lot more than me on how it should be run, it’s the “get orf my land” brigade I’ve got a problem with.

It’s clear my comments don’t go down well with the majority of members, fair enough, I’ve had my rant.

Mick · 12-04-2006, 09:42

"It’s clear my comments don’t go down well with the majority of members, fair enough, I’ve had my rant."
ER sorry i cant see how you can say this as only three members have posted out of the 3492 members on this site

Driller · 12-04-2006, 09:56

OK I've jumped the gun there.. I'm just judging by most of the feedback I get

SPUGGIE J · 12-04-2006, 10:47

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Originally Posted by mick

"It’s clear my comments don’t go down well with the majority of members, fair enough, I’ve had my rant."
ER sorry i cant see how you can say this as only three members have posted out of the 3492 members on this site

Not all members might want to answer and could have PM'd Driller. I try to resist the urge to answer on some but give in eventually.

Right back on thread. Got to say that I agree to a certain extent with Driller to the range Rover part due to cost and road tax fuel etc. If they were that skint why are they not in an old Land Rover. Farmers were compensated for stock loss which seems askew to me as why are they not insured or does insurance not cover this kind of event. Trying to hold govenments to ransom or bring them down seems to happen periodically but those that suffer are useually those not involved. So while farmers Jones Reddwich and stokman are at the barricades who is running their alledged loss making farms?

The CA is proberly full of toffs though I still maintain as I posted earlier that "They are in some ways no different from a union protecting a way of life for its members." And if they are to be regarded as militent then are they ever going to be as bad as the unions during the 70's with vilence and all? At the end of the day any orginisation (legit that is) will defend its members rights legally, though the odd "ruffian" might go too far.

pendy · 12-04-2006, 13:32

Driller obviously didn't attend the Countryside March - otherwise he would have met a lot of people who were not in the least posh. It was also the only demonstration that I can remember that had its own people collecting any rubbish along the way. We talked to a lot of people from all backgrounds, not just "toffs". In any event, those enjoying landed estates these days are more likely to be footballers and pop stars than old fashioned "landed gentry". The country should be run by those who understand it, not by some faceless erk in Whitehall who thinks the whole thing is run purely for some notion of the "upper classes". Of which I am not, and never have been, one.

SPUGGIE J · 12-04-2006, 15:23

World War 1 started the downfall of the landed gentry and it has slowley carried on as old money is replaced by new. Everyone is entilteled to live they way they choose (within the law) and should not be percicuted for it. Ironic really that we have a go at land owners yet those who own their house with a back and front garden are land owners as well.

Madhatter · 13-04-2006, 16:43

You should get your fact right before commenting driller. The farmers who turned up to block the oil depots, including kingsbury here, did so because they wanted supermarkets to put a penny on milk. The hgv drivers that quickly joined on the bandwagon, turned it to a fuel protest, the farmers agreed and put the milk protest on hold because it was yet another area where the farmers were suffereing. Not just because of their fuel costs but because of the supermarkets collection and delivery to stores fuel costs. It has a knock on all through the industry. It's not just farmers though is it, its hauliers too, but not just food, it's breweries too, fuel add to the charges that the brewery make to staggers. the list goes on.
SO on that basis and that basis alone the farmers decided to go along with it as the public support was out there. They supported it because we all get hammered on the fuel we need to get to work.
ALSO have you ever thought those farmers may use those four by four gas guzzlers as a four by four, far more usefull to a farmer than a car I'd say.
What do you really know about farmers, about farms, about animals, crops, horses, hunting

Busman747 · 13-04-2006, 18:41

I commend you on your bravery Driller, yes, the majority of Accywebbers (including me) are in favour of continuing hunts - but it must be said that the country as a whole is fairly split down the middle so it is right that you should have your "rant!"

Yes, it is an expensive sport and the majority of participants are quite well off, but those that were brought up in the countryside are well aware of the destruction brought about by foxes. They (the foxes, not accywebbers) use reason to enter protected property and although their initial urge is to kill for food, they take the opportunity to kill all within their reach just for the hell of it. If you kept chickens, you would perhaps feel very different about this subject!

What are the options without the hunt? poison? Thats cruel, but farmers will now be considering this! Shotgun? Great if the farmer is a GOOD shot! not so good if the fox is only wounded!

The elite WILL continue to chase foxes - and the common man will continue to support them simply because it is the most humane way of keeping the fox population in check.

If its any consolation, I almost sympathised with your posting because of the huge amounts of money that was thrown at the governments by lobbyists before this law was passed trying to keep fox hunting legal - but it proves (eventually) that money cannot always buy legislation! - Unfortunately, the P.C. Brigade yet again win.

Madhatter · 15-04-2006, 17:08

Found this on the asda site http://www.asdafourpintpledge.co.uk/ Shame they didn't keep the milk at the same price and give it to the farmers too.

SPUGGIE J · 16-04-2006, 09:57

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Found this on the asda site http://www.asdafourpintpledge.co.uk/ Shame they didn't keep the milk at the same price and give it to the farmers too.

Fair point hatter as it would have doubled the money they get.