Censorship - Page 4

cashman · 11-04-2010, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

A bit worrying that we haven't heard from Blazey for two days now. Do you think she's finally driven the Chinese police beyond the point of endurance? "We velly, velly sorry, missy, we tell you be quiet. Still you yakety yakety yak. Now you go to clinkee!"

Nah shes away in the mountains fer weekend, was on news tonight- All the Yetis have fled.

jaysay · 12-04-2010, 08:30

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Originally Posted by cashman

Nah shes away in the mountains fer weekend, was on news tonight- All the Yetis have fled.

Ya heard they were doing impressions of Lemmings cashy throwing themselves of mountains to get away,

blazey · 13-04-2010, 09:26

In case you didn't notice, forums aren't necessarily blocked in China, so discussion isn't necessarily blocked out.

And you're right, people don't know things here that maybe they should know. People lack information on Tiananmen Square for example. The difference is that they know it exists, the use of proxy servers is pretty widespread here to access information that is censored, and generally they just choose to not bother finding out. I don't think it is a massive issue. The students that I've spoken to here don't mind it, and they live here. They've been pretty honest about how they feel about other things, so I don't see why they would lie about their feelings on censorship.

The whole Google thing here isn't an issue because it isn't China's biggest search engine. There are more popular social networking sites here than facebook as well so that isn't an issue for them. If anything, China isn't blocking discussion and information at all, it just wants to keep China as China, and not taken over by global companies. That is the impression I've got from the whole thing anyway.

And I couldn't get on either website through ordinary web browsing, but with the use of a proxy server I can. And it isn't a difficult thing to do here. Just not legal, but I suppose the nearest equivalent is downloading music illegally at home. Using bandwidth to facilitate the acquisition of information that is prohibited. The only difference is that we see different things as acceptable I guess. Nobody is harmed by not being able to access negative information here, just living in ignorant bliss I guess. Or that is the idea behind it at least

jaysay · 13-04-2010, 09:36

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Originally Posted by blazey

In case you didn't notice, forums aren't necessarily blocked in China, so discussion isn't necessarily blocked out.

And you're right, people don't know things here that maybe they should know. People lack information on Tiananmen Square for example. The difference is that they know it exists, the use of proxy servers is pretty widespread here to access information that is censored, and generally they just choose to not bother finding out. I don't think it is a massive issue. The students that I've spoken to here don't mind it, and they live here. They've been pretty honest about how they feel about other things, so I don't see why they would lie about their feelings on censorship.

The whole Google thing here isn't an issue because it isn't China's biggest search engine. There are more popular social networking sites here than facebook as well so that isn't an issue for them. If anything, China isn't blocking discussion and information at all, it just wants to keep China as China, and not taken over by global companies. That is the impression I've got from the whole thing anyway.

And I couldn't get on either website through ordinary web browsing, but with the use of a proxy server I can. And it isn't a difficult thing to do here. Just not legal, but I suppose the nearest equivalent is downloading music illegally at home. Using bandwidth to facilitate the acquisition of information that is prohibited. The only difference is that we see different things as acceptable I guess. Nobody is harmed by not being able to access negative information here, just living in ignorant bliss I guess. Or that is the idea behind it at least

There is something very wrong when goverment keep the truth from the people, that could never happen here, could it

garinda · 13-04-2010, 09:41

'Human rights activists say more than 30,000 people are employed to keep an eye on websites, chat rooms and private e-mail messages.'
BBC NEWS | Technology | Behind China's internet Red Firewall

jaysay · 13-04-2010, 09:43

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Originally Posted by garinda

'Human rights activists say more than 30,000 people are employed to keep an eye on websites, chat rooms and private e-mail messages.'
BBC NEWS | Technology | Behind China's internet Red Firewall

Oh in China, thought you were on about GB for a minute

garinda · 13-04-2010, 09:47

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Oh in China, thought you were on about GB for a minute

We keep an eye on you here, but don't get paid for it.

blazey · 13-04-2010, 09:54

Are people naive enough to think our activity isn't accessed on a regular basis in the UK?

England could probably learn a lot from China, but there tends to be a pretty negative attitude taken towards learning anything from another culture in general, hence why we're so well known for being lazy with languages I guess, so it isn't surprising to find that China isn't actually as bad as what people think at home and it is actually a ridiculously safe and lovely place to be.

jaysay · 13-04-2010, 10:02

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Originally Posted by blazey

Are people naive enough to think our activity isn't accessed on a regular basis in the UK?

England could probably learn a lot from China, but there tends to be a pretty negative attitude taken towards learning anything from another culture in general, hence why we're so well known for being lazy with languages I guess, so it isn't surprising to find that China isn't actually as bad as what people think at home and it is actually a ridiculously safe and lovely place to be.

In that case blazey you have our permission and blessing to go and live there

jaysay · 13-04-2010, 10:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

We keep an eye on you here, but don't get paid for it.

But who is watching you

garinda · 13-04-2010, 15:19

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Originally Posted by jaysay

But who is watching you

Anyone who wants to.

If they're really that bored.

Barrie Yates · 13-04-2010, 16:04

Remember - as though you could possibly forget, it is a Communist controlled country - slightly to the left of Socialist.
So far we still have free speech - to a certain degree, providing you are not slanderous. There are also a number of non-Communist countries where there is censorship - particularly a number of Muslim states.
Personally I hate censorship in any form.
I only got to Hong Kong, never over the border, but I was able to look and see the other side from Lok Ma Chow (Sp?).
Have fun, enjoy the experience even if there are frustrations, you may only pass that way once.

Tealeaf · 13-04-2010, 17:32

It's not just China you've got to worry about. This evening (at 9pm) Panorama is doing a report on Alder Hay Children’s hospital in Liverpool. Without spoiling what you may wish to see, the gist of the programme is about the extent of lifestyle disease amongst the kids of today - a very worrying development.

About 6 weeks ago I was making the exact same point on another thread on this site. Someone must have objected - probably because they had obese brat offspring themselves - because the next thing I knew all my postings suddenly went vamoose! No doubt they are now somewhere way out in cyberspace, way beyond the solar system but the point is if people cannot accept a few simple home truths they should not be on here and neither should any monitors be backing them up.

Barrie Yates · 13-04-2010, 18:20

Alder Hay Children’s hospital in Liverpool always seems to be in the news - isn't that where the scandal of children's organs being kept without permission of the families?

Tealeaf · 13-04-2010, 18:52

Yeah, the organs were kept for medical research - the next best thing to an organ donation. I think the scousers were peeved off because they didn't get paid.