Changes To Housing Benefits - Page 13

tommiasfc · 21-02-2013, 10:13

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

well say that to the mum whos son is in afghanastan an has to move house .boeing and co you are off your rocker,you havent a clue about real life

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I don't see what that woman wants she wants tax payers to pay for her employed sons rooms. If there's a house with 3 adults 2 are full time employed they don't deserve full benefits the lads should pay a bit of board or move out and get there own place I don't see why I should pay for there house.

cmonstanley · 21-02-2013, 22:55

just maybe she is severely disabled

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lancsdave · 21-02-2013, 23:07

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Perhaps Less is a bit old to start now but if he gets a move on and had 11 children he could have a brand new £400,000 house free and pay no bedroom tax. He could also, after inspecting it, tell the council he didn't like it and wanted a better one.
He could even have his own horse(they're edible) and it would only cost him £200 a month of his benefits. In fact, he could probably afford 3 horses( apparently others can and you'd never be short of a home made lasagne).

You seem to have made a glaring mistake, Less is English

tommiasfc · 21-02-2013, 23:11

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

just maybe she is severely disabled

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So what she needs 3 bedrooms her sons cant look after her they're away.

Gordon Booth · 22-02-2013, 10:36

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

You seem to have made a glaring mistake, Less is English

You've got me there, lancsdave. I don't follow that, go on, what have I missed.

Should be a rolleyes there but it didn't work!

lindsay ormerod · 22-02-2013, 14:15

People who need an extra room for a carer that isn't their partner will get that extra room. There are always gonna be exceptions but when there are families crammed into 1 bedroomed flats and single people rattling around in 3 bedroomed semis something has to give.

Guinness · 22-02-2013, 15:41

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod

People who need an extra room for a carer that isn't their partner will get that extra room. There are always gonna be exceptions but when there are families crammed into 1 bedroomed flats and single people rattling around in 3 bedroomed semis something has to give.

You could also argue that 'families' should stop breeding until they have a big enough roof over their head without the need to force people out of homes full of memories they have lived in for years.

Or government could just invest in a social housing building program and create some jobs, instead of targeting people using the 'all benefit claimants are scroungers' argument. I suggest using the money earmarked for the EU and foreign aid.

Barrie Yates · 22-02-2013, 17:45

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

well say that to the mum whos son is in afghanastan an has to move house .boeing and co you are off your rocker,you havent a clue about real life

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If he is in the Forces he gets 28 days leave, plus bank holidays every year. In addition there is embarkation leave and disembarkation leave (DinG can verify whether this is still the norm).
Should he spend all of his leave at his parents address then "his room" will be vacant for something like 40 days per year - excluding any additional leave. Very few young men that I knew in the Services ever spent the whole of their leave at their home of record.
Therefore, if the family wish to have a vacant room (assuming it is vacant i.e. empty of all items except those that belong to the serviceman, as it is council/public housing, there is no reason why they should not pay for additional storage space - a lock up garage/storage container will cost about £10 per week.
Real life appears to have passed you by, perhaps you were on the wrong side of the road?

jaysay · 22-02-2013, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Guinness

You could also argue that 'families' should stop breeding until they have a big enough roof over their head without the need to force people out of homes full of memories they have lived in for years.

Or government could just invest in a social housing building program and create some jobs, instead of targeting people using the 'all benefit claimants are scroungers' argument. I suggest using the money earmarked for the EU and foreign aid.

When you say invest in social housing, you mean like the last government did, um, always makes me smile that everything wrong is down to the present government, when the last shower, did nothing but throw money about like confetti doing absolutely nothing, allowed incapacity benefits to escalate out of all proportion and as for immigration, don't think I'll even bother going there

lindsay ormerod · 22-02-2013, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Guinness

You could also argue that 'families' should stop breeding until they have a big enough roof over their head without the need to force people out of homes full of memories they have lived in for years.

Or government could just invest in a social housing building program and create some jobs, instead of targeting people using the 'all benefit claimants are scroungers' argument. I suggest using the money earmarked for the EU and foreign aid.

Some of those families have been forced into cramped temporary accommodation and unsuitable housing after losing their own homes thru repossession because they have lost their jobs.

I know of many, many examples of single people or with 1 child living in houses way too big for them,some of these are people on full benefit, getting all their rent paid and getting full council tax benefit.
Is it any wonder this country is on it's knees?

Have a think about it, you probably know some too. It's very, very rare that I agree with anything this government does, and yes, this has flaws.BUT do you really want to be paying for someone who hasn't worked or contributed to the system for what maybe years to have a bigger house( often with a front and back garden) than the working man can afford??

jaysay · 22-02-2013, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

If he is in the Forces he gets 28 days leave, plus bank holidays every year. In addition there is embarkation leave and disembarkation leave (DinG can verify whether this is still the norm).
Should he spend all of his leave at his parents address then "his room" will be vacant for something like 40 days per year - excluding any additional leave. Very few young men that I knew in the Services ever spent the whole of their leave at their home of record.
Therefore, if the family wish to have a vacant room (assuming it is vacant i.e. empty of all items except those that belong to the serviceman, as it is council/public housing, there is no reason why they should not pay for additional storage space - a lock up garage/storage container will cost about £10 per week.
Real life appears to have passed you by, perhaps you were on the wrong side of the road?

Barrie don't bother about our friend from the north he gets all his info from the Guardian

Guinness · 22-02-2013, 19:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay

When you say invest in social housing, you mean like the last government did, um, always makes me smile that everything wrong is down to the present government, when the last shower, did nothing but throw money about like confetti doing absolutely nothing, allowed incapacity benefits to escalate out of all proportion and as for immigration, don't think I'll even bother going there

Since you brought up the history, maybe if your beloved Margaret had released the funds raised by the great social housing sell off back to councils to use for rebuilding and had not pushed many people on to incapacity benefit to massage the jobless figures, we wouldn't be in this predicament now.

But that's irrelevant we are discussing the now, not the once was

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod

Some of those families have been forced into cramped temporary accommodation and unsuitable housing after losing their own homes thru repossession because they have lost their jobs.

I know of many, many examples of single people or with 1 child living in houses way too big for them,some of these are people on full benefit, getting all their rent paid and getting full council tax benefit.
Is it any wonder this country is on it's knees?

How many is many, many....10,20 or 100....Where exactly in Hyndburn do these many, many single parents live in these three bedroom houses? How do you know that they are on full benefit and receiving full council tax benefit?

Do you by any chance know many, many families that are currently living in cramped accomodation because of repossession? How many repossessions have been caused by people overstretching themselves and getting into negative equity?

Yes there are people who screw the system, these are a minority. Only Daily Mail readers think otherwise

jaysay · 22-02-2013, 19:27

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Originally Posted by Guinness

Since you brought up the history, maybe if your beloved Margaret had released the funds raised by the great social housing sell off back to councils to use for rebuilding and had not pushed many people on to incapacity benefit to massage the jobless figures, we wouldn't be in this predicament now.

But that's irrelevant we are discussing the now, not the once was

How many is many, many....10,20 or 100....Where exactly in Hyndburn do these many, many single parents live in these three bedroom houses? How do you know that they are on full benefit and receiving full council tax benefit?

Do you by any chance know many, many families that are currently living in cramped accomodation because of repossession? How many repossessions have been caused by people overstretching themselves and getting into negative equity?

Yes there are people who screw the system, these are a minority. Only Daily Mail readers think otherwise

You live in cloud cuckoo land