Changes To Housing Benefits - Page 4

accyman · 17-07-2012, 12:47

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

They have brought the rules in to try and encourage people not to rely on benefits and work for it. Problem is they forgot to provide the jobs first

i would hate to be one of these sacked soldiers cameron is getting rid of and be under 25 .Imagine coming home from serving your country just to face been homeless.

Less · 17-07-2012, 15:36

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

They have brought the rules in to try and encourage people not to rely on benefits and work for it. Problem is they forgot to provide the jobs first

How disgraceful, after 60 years on this Earth, you're telling me I have to earn my right to be here?

Why didn't someone tell me earlier?

I wasted my time in ignorance bringing up a family!

None of whom, nor myself, have a criminal record. So is that why I am being made to struggle?

jaysay · 17-07-2012, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Less

How disgraceful, after 60 years on this Earth, you're telling me I have to earn my right to be here?

Why didn't someone tell me earlier?

I wasted my time in ignorance bringing up a family!

None of whom, nor myself, have a criminal record. So is that why I am being made to struggle?

The problem there Less is with doing such a good job you don't need the help of bleeding heart liberal do gooders. Actually while call me Dave was at it and wanted to save a few bob why didn't he look at cold weather payments for people with bulging bank accounts, can't tell me Maggy Thatcher needs £250 a year cold weather payments, nor do people who no longer live in this country, just wondering why the last government didn't twig that one

lancsdave · 17-07-2012, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Less

How disgraceful, after 60 years on this Earth, you're telling me I have to earn my right to be here?

Why didn't someone tell me earlier?

I wasted my time in ignorance bringing up a family!

None of whom, nor myself, have a criminal record. So is that why I am being made to struggle?

If you're not some Tory ponce with a bank account full of backhanders then you're spot on

jaysay · 17-07-2012, 18:53

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

If you're not some Tory ponce with a bank account full of backhanders then you're spot on

Sorry Dave thats a long time since, its more than Tories with bank accounts full of backhanders mate, believe me

duggie · 17-07-2012, 20:06

Lets take a reality check and look at a couple of examples from people I know who currently receive hb.
Family 1, family of 2 parents, with 4 kids, he works, she doesn't. He will not work any overtime what so ever because if he does he will loose some of his benefits. He earns a basic salary of 16,000, with the tax credits he takes home more than his supervisor who earns 21,000 per year.
his supervisor pays a mortgage, pays all his council tax, family 1 get a free house and a huge reduction in council tax.
supervisor is worse off by approx £100 per week after you take all of the benefits into account.
Supervisor cant afford to smoke, family man smokes and drinks, happy benefit society
Now im not saying all claimants are in this position but I am saying this, does the above sound fair to you ?

cashman · 17-07-2012, 20:17

Fair or not, its sod all to do wi the position Less is in. or the reason.

duggie · 17-07-2012, 20:24

brick up the bedroom

Mancie · 17-07-2012, 21:36

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Originally Posted by duggie

brick up the bedroom

The one Less sleeps in?..

lancsdave · 17-07-2012, 21:40

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Originally Posted by duggie

his supervisor pays a mortgage, pays all his council tax, family 1 get a free house and a huge reduction in council tax.

Not quite a free house is it, the supervisor will own his house eventually, the other one won't.

There probably is no fair system, but every time a new system is introduced by this government, it never seems to affect those well off... ie all the pals that pee in the same pot

Neil · 18-07-2012, 08:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay

.......Actually while call me Dave was at it and wanted to save a few bob why didn't he look at cold weather payments for people with bulging bank accounts, can't tell me Maggy Thatcher needs £250 a year cold weather payments, nor do people who no longer live in this country, just wondering why the last government didn't twig that one

I wonder what the cost of deciding who should get the payments would be compared to how much they would save?

jaysay · 18-07-2012, 08:33

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Originally Posted by Neil

I wonder what the cost of deciding who should get the payments would be compared to how much they would save?

There are criteria in force for receiving other benefits, (which I think this threads about anyway) why not include this within the same parameters. Maggy Thatcher ain't eligible for housing benefit nor should she be eligible for winter fuel allowance either

Neil · 18-07-2012, 08:33

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Not quite a free house is it, the supervisor will own his house eventually, the other one won't.

There probably is no fair system, but every time a new system is introduced by this government, it never seems to affect those well off... ie all the pals that pee in the same pot

Not a free house but free accommodation.
The supervisor has to maintain his house as well which can be very expensive when you start to need a new central heating boiler, kitchen and bathroom replacement etc

MargaretR · 18-07-2012, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Neil

I wonder what the cost of deciding who should get the payments would be compared to how much they would save?

I worked for 35 years at DWP.
Administration of means tests is expensive, and when comparatively low payouts (child benefit, winter fuel) are involved, the savings from identifying the people who won't qualify, are cancelled out by the cost of means testing them.

jaysay · 18-07-2012, 08:49

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I worked for 35 years at DWP.
Administration of means tests is expensive, and when comparatively low payouts (child benefit, winter fuel) are involved, the savings from identifying the people who won't qualify, are cancelled out by the cost of means testing them.

For heavens sake we have things like computers these days, I actually think people should have to apply for cold weather payments, with the parameters set out, I can't actually see a millionaire or somebody on a very high pension income (and their are a lot of those) actually applying for this benefit knowing they aint a snowballs chance of getting it, or why would they want to, maybe if this was more fairer those in genuine need might even get a bit more