Charity giving and Conscience - Page 3

slinky · 25-10-2005, 12:35

I am awfully sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( I'm not sniggering honest)

Anyway, where were we!!!! oh yes charity. A fella came to my door the other day asking me to start giving to a blind charity. He was asking for my bank details for monthly direct debits to be taken out of the bank.
I'm sorry, but no way. It wasn't that I didn't want to, but, he gave me the impression that, he was not for leaving the door until it had been signed and sealed.
Like Lettie said, it's my choice, and i wont be bullied into it.

Doug · 25-10-2005, 12:41

Yeah, we get then up here occasionally, I’m a sucker for giving loose change in supermarkets and to old tramps on the streets.

I can’t say I’m enlightened by this discussion but it is nice to know that either way I’m not alone so I would thank you all for that.

accymel · 25-10-2005, 12:45

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Originally Posted by slinky

I am awfully sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( I'm not sniggering honest)

Anyway, where were we!!!! oh yes charity. A fella came to my door the other day asking me to start giving to a blind charity. He was asking for my bank details for monthly direct debits to be taken out of the bank.
I'm sorry, but no way. It wasn't that I didn't want to, but, he gave me the impression that, he was not for leaving the door until it had been signed and sealed.
Like Lettie said, it's my choice, and i wont be bullied into it.

Yeh i had simular up here, a few weeks back i had a rather posh suited man come up to my wanting my bank details for a cancer charity & got rather snotty when i said i weren't prepared to sign up because i needed to think about it

, he looked like he could afford to give himself & yet harrang me a chav looking person pmsl

jambutty · 25-10-2005, 12:46

By definition a charity is PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME AND MONEY to help the less fortunate with the operative word being GIVING. To GIVE something means that you get NOTHING in return.

So how come these various charities have paid employees coordinating the collection and distribution of donations? Some of whom make a very good living out of it. Some charities even have people who coordinate the efforts to raise funds and they get paid for doing so. Something wrong there! Why don’t these fund raisers GIVE THEIR TIME FOR FREE?

The other question I would ask is why do we need charities? We need charities because the public has decided that there is a need for something.

But hang on! We pay taxes so that the government of the day can take care of all the public needs. Isn’t that why we pay taxes? So that the government can take care of the public need.

Take the RNLI for instance. There is a need to have what is the FOURTH EMERGENCY SERVICE yet it is totally funded by public subscription. RSPCA, RSPCC to mention two more. Those charities exist because the public found that there was a need for them and because the government did not cater for those needs the public rolled up their collective sleeves and set up a charity to address the issue. How many hospitals have had vital equipment bought for them from public donations when the government who fund the NHS failed to supply what was NECESSARY.

The government knows that if a public need is identified all the government needs to do is to drag its collective heels and sooner or later the general public will respond and set up a charity to take care of that need. Thus removing the need of government intervention and the cost associated with it. Money that they spend on illegal wars and funding projects that benefit the few.

We, the general public, have and will continue to help ourselves when the need arises and the government knows that we will. So they let us get on with it whilst taxing us more and more.

We have even been conned into buying lottery tickets for good causes and even here the government takes a slice of each pound that you spend.

This current government even encourages people to join the ‘Voluntary’ sector. Why?

slinky · 25-10-2005, 12:48

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Originally Posted by accymel

he looked like he could afford to give himself & yet harrang me a chav looking person pmsl

Yes I got the same man mel............ I too told him no.

Tinkerbelle · 25-10-2005, 12:49

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Originally Posted by slinky

Yes I got the same man mel............ I too told him no.

You said no to a man?

That was a first

slinky · 25-10-2005, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

You said no to a man?

That was a first

It was HARD!!! but I managed it

accymel · 25-10-2005, 12:57

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Originally Posted by slinky

Yes I got the same man mel............ I too told him no.

LOL the funny bit about him he thought he was soo goodlooking & smart in suit he thought the birds would be swarming to up his sales & yet this was a charity org & he looked like the manager of sales - all talk LOL & yet i said no ta that peved him off something cronic

mmm he could of been a perv trolling for women

Doug · 25-10-2005, 12:58

Yep, that certainly concentrates the mind Jambutty, as a fell walker I often support the Mountain rescue services, I also believe that we should support the air ambulance and the RNLI and the likes of the RSPCA and PDSA. But where should we draw the line. When I do give it’s usually directly to the charity itself, I don’t believe in middle men because of the reasons that have been given in this thread. It would be easier and for more effective if there where clear lines of responsibility between what the Government give in our name and what we the public support.

Doug · 25-10-2005, 13:00

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Originally Posted by accymel

LOL the funny bit about him he thought he was soo goodlooking & smart in suit he thought the birds would be swarming to up his sales & yet this was a charity org & he looked like the manager of sales - all talk LOL & yet i said no ta that peved him off something cronic

mmm he could of been a perv trolling for women

Please note I had nothing to do with this meandering..............

accymel · 25-10-2005, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Doug

Please note I had nothing to do with this meandering..............

Nope but the point of that is that the guy was so peeved off that i didnt sign there & then - erm bully boy tactics in charity

Doug · 25-10-2005, 13:14

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Originally Posted by accymel

Nope but the point of that is that the guy was so peeved off that i didnt sign there & then - erm bully boy tactics in charity

Nor should you and I take your point. By the way did any of you report this chap......

slinky · 25-10-2005, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Doug

Nor should you and I take your point. By the way did any of you report this chap......

No!! but he reported me for kicking him the NADS

accymel · 25-10-2005, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Doug

Nor should you and I take your point. By the way did any of you report this chap......

No i didnt though thought about it cos of his attitude wouldnt know how to report or whether it would be taken seriously

harwood red · 25-10-2005, 17:54

I just recently did some fund raising for the North west air ambulance which is completely charitable funded. And yet how many times will the helicopter go out instead of an ambulance therefore saving the NHS, so why don't the nhs at least contribute some way to its running. They have also recently been turned down for lottery funding as they "supposedly" don't reach a wide enough group of people!!! Errrrrr, they get called out mostly to car accidents..... and I would say the majority of people travel in cars!! whats that all about....