Charity Money - Page 2

Neil · 14-10-2008, 12:30

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Originally Posted by jambutty

a guy who worked for a charity and he admitted that his salary was £20k. His job? He was a fund raising manager.

So as long as he raises more than £20k he has cost the charity nothing.

Councils are starting to get wise to this as well. Some employ people to find money from outside the Council. They have to pay their own wage though by using management fees included in funding bids.

The Friends of Rhyddings park can apply for money that HBC can not. This means we can bring in money that would otherwise be lost to Oswaldtwistle. We try to add in a management fee when we can to fund the group. For example every meeting we hold costs us about £30-£35 in postage, stationary and venue costs.

MargaretR · 14-10-2008, 12:35

Venue costs? - does this include room hire?
It would seem reasonable for HBC to let you use a room in one of their buildings free, in view of the good work you put in for the benefit of the borough.

mothernature · 14-10-2008, 12:38

I would like to know what percentage of each pound is actually used by each charity for its intended purpose. Anyone any info?

MargaretR · 14-10-2008, 12:42

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Originally Posted by mothernature

Wonder how the Swiss banks are fairing these days

Probably awash with the fat cat's bonuses

jambutty · 14-10-2008, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Neil

So as long as he raises more than £20k he has cost the charity nothing.

Councils are starting to get wise to this as well. Some employ people to find money from outside the Council. They have to pay their own wage though by using management fees included in funding bids.

The Friends of Rhyddings park can apply for money that HBC can not. This means we can bring in money that would otherwise be lost to Oswaldtwistle. We try to add in a management fee when we can to fund the group. For example every meeting we hold costs us about £30-£35 in postage, stationary and venue costs.

He has cost the charity £20k pa. What is wrong with going in one day a week or month for free to do the fund raising?

If a person ‘works’ for a charity, that person should give his/her time FREE, just the same as the street collectors give their time for FREE.

That is the problem with charities. Those who run the charity get paid for doing so. Those who do the work that the charity supports do the job for free, except for a handful of ‘executives’ at the top who earn a comfortable wage.

The RSPCA is a typical example. If it weren’t for the volunteers the various establishments would not function. The RNLI is another example. So is the British Legion.

jambutty · 14-10-2008, 12:59

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Originally Posted by mothernature

I would like to know what percentage of each pound is actually used by each charity for its intended purpose. Anyone any info?

Years ago there was an expose on charity collections where barely 10% of the money collected actually got to the charity in question.

WillowTheWhisp · 14-10-2008, 14:10

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Originally Posted by jambutty

If a person ‘works’ for a charity, that person should give his/her time FREE, just the same as the street collectors give their time for FREE.

Presumably the people who work for charities need to eat and clothe themselves and also have gas bills and leccy bills and water bills and council tax and mortgages/rent like the rest of us. If they worked full time for the charities without pay how do you suggest they pay their bills? Or are you actually suggesting that charities should ask for unqualified volunteers to do the work in their spare time and possibly make a complete pigs breakfast of it?

mothernature · 14-10-2008, 14:53

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Presumably the people who work for charities need to eat and clothe themselves and also have gas bills and leccy bills and water bills and council tax and mortgages/rent like the rest of us. If they worked full time for the charities without pay how do you suggest they pay their bills? Or are you actually suggesting that charities should ask for unqualified volunteers to do the work in their spare time and possibly make a complete pigs breakfast of it?

Isn't the idea of volunteering for a charity that you give your time freely and without pay. Many charities rely on the many generous folk who do just that. Why should someone make money doing what a lot of volunteers already do for nothing. I can see no benefit in paying for a fundraiser and I'm almost sure 15 or so years ago charities didn't rely on employing people to do that.
I don't think anyone is suggesting qualified persons shouldn't be employed by charities (vets, doctors, etc) but any monies raised shouldn't be used for something that for years has always been done by volunteers.

jaysay · 14-10-2008, 16:37

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Presumably the people who work for charities need to eat and clothe themselves and also have gas bills and leccy bills and water bills and council tax and mortgages/rent like the rest of us. If they worked full time for the charities without pay how do you suggest they pay their bills? Or are you actually suggesting that charities should ask for unqualified volunteers to do the work in their spare time and possibly make a complete pigs breakfast of it?

I was the Secretary of the Hyndburn Branch of the National Asthma Campaign (now Asthma UK)for 4 years, It actually cost me money has it as for every charity I have been invoved. We raised money for a verity of projects, but I did get fed up off rules had regs we had to adher to, especially when I recieved the balance sheet each year, and saw the sararies of centra office staff.

WillowTheWhisp · 14-10-2008, 18:44

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Originally Posted by mothernature

Isn't the idea of volunteering for a charity that you give your time freely and without pay.

Yes, that's volunteers. But I'm talking about employees or people who are recruited to do a specific job which there isn't a volunteer capable of doing. There is so much competition for charitable donations these days that simply wandering around rattling a tin isn't necessarily the best way. If people who already have full time jobs to pay their bills also have time to volunteer to help a charity then that's brilliant, but what if they don't? What if a charity gets into a mess because it doesn't have a volunteer accountant? You can't force people to do something for nothing but the something still needs doing.

One thought for instance: It would be nice if coach companies could take charity groups on free trips, you know like those make-a-wish things but the garages don't donate the deisel for the coaches for free do they? And should the driver be expected to volunteer to do their normal daily work for free if otherwise he/she would be earning a crust during those hours? It's really just not that simple.

steeljack · 14-10-2008, 19:00

only "Charity" workers/collectors I have any time for are the Salvation Army , don't believe I have ever read or heard one bad word about them.
As for the Red Cross they can sod off , they go into disaster areas with one intention ....how to make as money for central HQ as possible ,and ****** the victims who have lost everything .

anyone else ever have fantasys about tambourines and Bonnets

katex · 14-10-2008, 19:03

I am with Willow on this one .. raising money is a professional job and to get a professional have to employ professionals.

The people that do it voluntarily have not to put much thought/effort/marketing into it (and wouldn't wish to) .. except stand on the street shaking a container.

'Tis the only way in my opinion.

Have had many friends being paid for this work, including one that worked from home persuading people to become collectors in their area for Dr. Barnodos. Sure she was paid commission, but did reap benefits for the charity at the end of the day. Others in more high-flying full time jobs .. again they were professional sales people, and knew the art of persuasion/presenting and laying out the advantages of donating to particular charities. That talent costs money.

Neil · 14-10-2008, 19:07

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Originally Posted by mothernature

I can see no benefit in paying for a fundraiser

nor did HBC, why do you think the recent lottery bid failed?

After that maybe they will now start to think that filling in these bits of paper for a grant application is the specialist job that it is.

Eric · 14-10-2008, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

That's not the way to spell arse...............and I.m dedicted to the Poppy.

Dont fancy kissing a donkey.

Methinks that Cashy's famed Lancashire vocab is being corrupted by trans pond English

Anyway, I'm going to get my ass in gear and go vote. I'm voting NDP which is a helluva lot closer to labour than those clowns at Westminster, who seem to be doing a good job of screwing up Britain.

cashman · 14-10-2008, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Neil

nor did HBC, why do you think the recent lottery bid failed?

After that maybe they will now start to think that filling in these bits of paper for a grant application is the specialist job that it is.

well said neil, some just can't or won't see the need fer specialists in certain areas.