Ched Evans - Page 2

Margaret Pilkington · 05-01-2015, 21:53

Eric, he may be what you call a'second rate' footballer.....but he had aspirations to play for Wales......and he had followers.
I agree with much of your post.
I did not see the girl in question as a slut, but just a silly girl who drank too much and did not see the dangers in her actions.
He engineered his own downfall by his actions, and prison didn't hurt him.......the denial of him being able to return to football is his true payment for his crime.

DtheP47 · 05-01-2015, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Eric, he may be what you call a'second rate' footballer.....but he had aspirations to play for Wales......and he had followers.
I agree with much of your post.
I did not see the girl in question as a slut, but just a silly girl who drank too much and did not see the dangers in her actions.
He engineered his own downfall by his actions, and prison didn't hurt him.......the denial of him being able to return to football is his true payment for his crime.

Couple of points to mull over.
The poor girl has had to change her identity 5 times to avoid Internet trolls and their threats fuelled by a website paid for by Evan's supporters.
Sex offenders are not deemed fit and proper people to own or be directors under the Leagues criteria. So how Gordon Taylor can argue he should play again is beyond me.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2015, 08:24

Eric, this second rate footballer scored 48 goals in 113 appearances, and has played as an international footballer for Wales 13 times.......and he does have a following as DtheP47 has pointed out....so much so, that they have helped fund a Google Page Ranking Website(though I think that much of the funding for that has come from his girlfriends parents, who are bow legged with brass.Though goodness alone knows why they would do something like that when he at best, cheated on their daughter, and at worst raped a girl) to support the guy.

I am not against him being gainfully employed.....but not as a footballer.

Barrie Yates · 06-01-2015, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am not against him being gainfully employed.....but not as a footballer.

Perhaps as part of the sentence for all criminals there should be a list of all jobs that they are not allowed to take after they have completed their sentence.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2015, 10:51

I don't think there would be an issue if he was not in the public eye.
But maybe he should have used his time in prison to develop some new skills.

cashman · 06-01-2015, 12:13

Read post 352 in Stanley section on Impossible Headlines thread, This is something i was completely unaware of, and if correct, puts a different light on this issue to me.

DtheP47 · 06-01-2015, 14:11

One thing stands out irrefutably through all the allegations, counter allegations, rumour mill, et al.

The three males involved at no time prioritised this girls safety, they sought to take advantage of her.

cashman · 06-01-2015, 14:21

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Originally Posted by DtheP47

One thing stands out irrefutably through all the allegations, counter allegations, rumour mill, et al.

The three males involved at no time prioritised this girls safety, they sought to take advantage of her.

That is without any doubt to me D, I was more interested in what independant folk in this said.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2015, 14:24

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Originally Posted by cashman

Read post 352 in Stanley section on Impossible Headlines thread, This is something i was completely unaware of, and if correct, puts a different light on this issue to me.

While this section of the forum is not one which I frequent....I did go and check out that post.
I am sceptical of this evidence. Had it been true, surely the defence barristers would have made much of it.
The fact is, he was found guilty of a serious offence and has to accept that it would affect his playing career.
If, on appeal, the conviction is quashed then it would be a different matter.
I think his name is always going to be followed by the tag 'rapist'....and which football club wants to risk their sponsors support by letting him play?

cashman · 06-01-2015, 14:40

I too am sceptical, in fact i posted later on yon, I fail to understand why the Press also aint jumped on this, it would "Sell" papers if so. I also bear in mind the fact innocent people have been hung, that were found guilty.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2015, 14:46

Perhaps it was inadmissible as it could not be proved that these postings were made by the claimant.
It is not unknown for sad people to post such stuff claiming to be someone else.

Eric · 06-01-2015, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The fact is, he was found guilty of a serious offence....and which football club wants to risk their sponsors support by letting him play?

Being "found guilty" doesn't always mean that someone is guilty:

"I Didn?t Know What the Sky Looked Like Anymore": Ricky Jackson Exonerated After 39 Years in Jail | Democracy Now!

And, I have to admit that I'm surprised any club would even give him the time of day. Football is more a business than a sport, and clubs are supposed to be run by businessmen. So, why would any owner contemplate what would be a disastrous business move.

And if he is exonerated, his life and career are still ruined ... and it will be a step backwards for all those women who are real victims of those men who don't understand the difference between "consent" and "'No' means 'buy her another beer''.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2015, 14:54

I appreciate that Eric......but that is the legal system.......and we have to accept that he was judged by his peers to be guilty.
I think he has done his case no good by trying to blacken the claimants name.
He could have said nothing about her.....but methinks he doth protest too much.......and he has his rich girlfriends family behind him to argue/support his case.

Yes, he has ruined his life and his career by thinking with what was in his trousers......and maybe a lot of men do that and get away with it.
I cannot see why the claimant would go through the proceedings knowing that her personal life would be under minute scrutiny, unless she truly did not consent.

If someone is too drunk to consent then the sexual act is rape....because the woman cannot give consent.
No means NO........and yes, you are right. If it proves that the girl lied then it means that women who are subjected to such attacks have their cases seen through very cynical eyes.
No amount of money would compensate me for being violated.

hyndburner · 06-01-2015, 16:01

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Originally Posted by cashman

Read post 352 in Stanley section on Impossible Headlines thread, This is something i was completely unaware of, and if correct, puts a different light on this issue to me.

As I said in the opening post, if his appeal is successful, it puts a whole different complexion on the matter. And the complainant may have some serious questions to answer.

Until then, he's guilty in the eyes of the law and should keep his head down.

cashman · 06-01-2015, 16:25

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Originally Posted by hyndburner

As I said in the opening post, if his appeal is successful, it puts a whole different complexion on the matter. And the complainant may have some serious questions to answer.

Until then, he's guilty in the eyes of the law and should keep his head down.

As i said "If Correct" yer last line i agree 100%.