Child Support Agency - Page 2

accymel · 11-03-2006, 12:23

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Originally Posted by chav1

its silly bitches like this that cost the tax payer millions upon millions in legal aid just so that they can use the courts to carry out personal vendettas against fathers who are in some cases much better parents than the mother ever could hope to be

Excuse me not all of us are using silly bitches may i add yeh i agree there are a lot of so called parents [not im not being genderist] that use children as weapons of money & control, im on enough specific forums to know its not a gender issue just to put the complete record straight !! The trouble is the issue is always with 'the other parent' when do kids themselves decide? where's children for justice?

But unfortunately its the kids lose out to one parents selfishness, be it mother be it father.

accymel · 11-03-2006, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Personally, I think that the whole farcical system is a national disgrace. I think that it is about time that someone called a halt to this shameless waste of public money. I also think that the law on custody and divorce should be subject to serious and wide-ranging review.

Well theres 2 options they have been looking at, csa being transferred to DWP dept to widen the options of obtaining payments via various methods using the systems in place thus putting more strain on DWP; & theres debt collector style chasing up non payers. Which ever way not sure whether it would work or not.

SPUGGIE J · 11-03-2006, 12:28

I can hold my hand up and say my daughter comes first and formost. If there is one thing me and the ex agree on is she comes first. Me ranting over the CSA is how all suffer and not just the ones who have the child and no pament.

accymel · 11-03-2006, 12:33

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

I can hold my hand up and say my daughter comes first and formost. If there is one thing me and the ex agree on is she comes first. Me ranting over the CSA is how all suffer and not just the ones who have the child and no pament.

I appreciate we all suffer those that pay & those that dont get ****** all, the one thing we have in common with csa is the fact at either end your stung but its those that flout the system & pay nothing towards their kids upkeep that grinds me & must grind you too - nevermind tax payers too.

Your daughter is one of the lucky few that have parents that put them first & its the way it should be but unfortunately many children dont have that & are fortunate to have one parent put them 1st.

chav1 · 11-03-2006, 14:52

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Originally Posted by accymel

Excuse me not all of us are using silly bitches may i add yeh i agree there are a lot of so called parents [not im not being genderist] that use children as weapons of money & control, im on enough specific forums to know its not a gender issue just to put the complete record straight !! The trouble is the issue is always with 'the other parent' when do kids themselves decide? where's children for justice?

But unfortunately its the kids lose out to one parents selfishness, be it mother be it father.

i did say "silly bitches like this" which dosnt cover all women

from my oldest childs case i can say that they will listen to a child at age 5 but even then if the child decides it wants to live with daddy it is still very difficult

as the law is set out now a woman can have an affair , pack up and leave , take the kids and the father can be messed around that much by the mother not attending court , false accusations towards the father and generaly been a bitch it can be years before they ever see their children again

i have a friend who has not seen his daughter for 3 years because the courts simply fail to force the mother to sort somthing out , even if teh mother breaks an order enforced by the courts it is very rare that the mother is puinished as the punishment is jail and teh courts are very reluctant to jail a mother , what shoudl happen is the mother should be thrown in jail and full custordy given to the father

when it comes to children the whole system is a joke , a prostitue addicted to drugs who neglects her child will be given help and preference over a father who works and has a healthy lifestyle

yes some women do need to use the court system for various genuine reasons but the system is so open to abuse by the mother it is ridiculous

harwood red · 11-03-2006, 14:52

I had to go through the csa 8 years ago when my marriage broke up suddenly. To be honest for both me and my ex it worked ok. He ended up paying less than he thought which was completely against all the stories which were going around at the time. In the end the csa set the amount he had to pay and we decided he would pay that amount direct by standing order to me each month which he has done (not plain sailing for first few months, less said about that the better). The csa have contacted me twice since then to ask if I would like the payment amounts reviewed but on both occasions I have said no, even though I know the amount was likely to increase. I manage well enough and really don't feel the need to rock the boat, which it would if I had said yes.

If the CSA were disbanded I could seriously see me losing out on the money I do get now.

After saying all that I know I am one of the lucky few and all in all the csa system for most has been a nightmare

SPUGGIE J · 11-03-2006, 15:41

H you are lucky. My work means that I do not have a steady even income due to the business being up and down. I once followed the rules and waited for the 2 year review only to be told I should have informed them. Outcome several grand in arrears based on what I earned and the constant need to inform them when my average pay is up or down. This time it is beyond a joke and I declined a payrise. It takes them 6 months to reasses my payments thus arrears increase and I suffer for it financially. The misfortune is I pay at the old level of 25% not the new 15%.

harwood red · 11-03-2006, 15:45

It is weird that cos my ex has never been asked to contact them when his wages have changed. as I said the amount he pays is the amount set 8 years ago!! Strange how they seem to have differing rules

SPUGGIE J · 11-03-2006, 15:54

The rules are a pain and seems to differ were ever you are. I have no objections paying its just the rigmarole involved if circumstances change. Still belive those that do pay without objection but have a flutuating income are easy targets for them.

accymel · 11-03-2006, 15:58

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Originally Posted by chav1

i have a friend who has not seen his daughter for 3 years because the courts simply fail to force the mother to sort somthing out , even if teh mother breaks an order enforced by the courts it is very rare that the mother is puinished as the punishment is jail and teh courts are very reluctant to jail a mother , what shoudl happen is the mother should be thrown in jail and full custordy given to the father

when it comes to children the whole system is a joke , a prostitue addicted to drugs who neglects her child will be given help and preference over a father who works and has a healthy lifestyle

yes some women do need to use the court system for various genuine reasons but the system is so open to abuse by the mother it is ridiculous

Yeh too right its open to abuse & is far too often that judgement happens before the case is set, i do concern with some judges desicions & to be honest there are only circuit judges in family law whom basicially are judges that can preside in many different cases they are not specialist lets say they overview law jack of all trades & yeh i think thats a problem because mis-judgements & facts being led to personal or popular view [publicity pressure] & even by the opposing councel, there should be some proffessional judges with specialist knowledge of family law practiced only as does barristers/solicitors specialise in certain aspect of law so should judges be so too & then but then it again come down to money & the law lords. In all 3 districts i know nearly most of the circuit judges [circuit being right they've all been pass the parcel in my case hence they are circuit judges] & got to know that they can differ in their approach too.

But back to the point is that its so open to abuse by faulting parties that the ones trying to do right have a lot to prove unfortunately, & i lost faith loads of times with the system till eventually the evidence proved but it was a battle that im glad i didnt give up on - my kids are far too important.

harwood red · 11-03-2006, 16:02

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Originally Posted by accymel

my kids are far too important.

That has to be the best statement mel but shame so many others don't see it that way and use the kids to get one up on the ex partner.

Lets remember its the kids that are the most important thing in all this and keep the bickering as far away from them as possible!

SPUGGIE J · 11-03-2006, 16:04

I pay as required but also spend money on my daughter as though she was still with me. A lot of people think I am mad to do so but it is still my duty.

accymel · 11-03-2006, 16:06

I may not have success with Csa but a friend of mine is having better luck & was getting regular payments from csa collecting maintenance for him, then his x changes her mind & wants to pay direct rather than having to pay csa, since she got his bank details to transfer payments to him direct & he hasn't seen a penny since a couple of months ago since last csa payment has now to ring csa to get them to chase payments as shes avoiding it with empty promises.

Seems you just cant win & many will try owt to avoid paying for their kids until csa chases them

SPUGGIE J · 11-03-2006, 16:09

My daughter will always get the money she is entitled to regardless of circumstance or varying pay levels. First and formost she is still my resposibility regardless of how me and her mother get on. I will always bend over backwards for her and be sure she has what she needs.

accymel · 11-03-2006, 16:16

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Originally Posted by harwood red

That has to be the best statement mel but shame so many others don't see it that way and use the kids to get one up on the ex partner.

Lets remember its the kids that are the most important thing in all this and keep the bickering as far away from them as possible!

Well they have been since the day they was born & always will be