Christmas Shopping Fireworks

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Invite people down to the event - print invites - cost involved. (me)
Design posters (me)
Print posters - who's going to pay for that? (me)
Gordon, these are the responses of Jedi...in red

Ahh,Margaret, I learn yet again! I thought the red responses on Gayles attachment were her listings of her responsabilities!I said it might be an age thing!
Now I understand- I owe jedimaster an apology and he has it.Or he will when he comes on line again.
As for over 30, I agree but if you and I went in Leons club I think the noise would blow us out of the doors-it wouldn't need the bouncers. Different ages want different entertainment. Accyweb isn't a representative cross section of Accrington.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Ahh,Margaret, I learn yet again! I thought the red responses on Gayles attachment were her listings of her responsabilities!I said it might be an age thing!
Now I understand- I owe jedimaster an apology and he has it.Or he will when he comes on line again.
As for over 30, I agree but if you and I went in Leons club I think the noise would blow us out of the doors-it wouldn't need the bouncers. Different ages want different entertainment. Accyweb isn't a representative cross section of Accrington.

Sorry to disagree Gordon but there is a wide range represented here age-wise as far as i can see - kids love historical things too when presented in a way that relates to them - let them see what a Victorian school was like! There is a lack of imagination and an eye too constantly on what is politically correct these days.

[annesingleton]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Warner Street Winter Festival has been proposed -let's hope the powers that be have the imagination to harness the idea Anne!

I hope so, it doesn't sound either too difficult or too expensive to do and also in the email it mentioned a charity aspect to the event - I just think it's a good way to go!

[Gordon Booth]

Lets get practical- cost projections as Garinda rightly requires.
The Dickensian Fair, Grassington was mentioned as an example. Beautiful Dales village, popular with tourists all year round ( Compare with Accrington?).
Fair costs in 2003(8 years ago)-Skipton website.
Total cost-£30,000.Insurance-£2000.portable loos £1500(Accrington will need them!).45,000 programmes,not costed but £1000 to distribute. Can't find list of other costs.
They got some money back by charging £5 car parking-8 years ago! Could Accrington get away with special parking charges?
As far as I can see that was for 3 Saturdays.
With inflation at 5%-I think thats about £44-£45 thousand pounds(can't remember how to do compound interest) and I'll bet it's actually a lot more now.
Returns - someone tell me! How do you get any of that money back?
Can HBC afford that? Will volunteers be able to do it for nothing? No to both.
Some lovely ideas but in todays climate not on! Just being a realist.

[Leon Kelly]

Ok people.... Hopefully this will bring a smile to some faces on here, I have just come back from the Accrington Regeneration Board meeting and the xmas lights for next year where brought up...

Next year we have moved the lights to Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th November 2012, On the Saturday we will have a christmas fayre market using the traders that are in the market, plans have only been mentioned today so i dont have a list of the ins and outs yet however the market traders were very supportive and want to be involved so that should keep a percentage happy, We are going to have choirs from local schools and churches through the day, the main stage will again be up and running and entertainment throughout the day will be on till late evening with a fireworks display, and Sunday they are going to be having an xmas service with carols and things at the chruches, I brought up your points and they were listened to..... So lets see how it goes

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Lets get practical- cost projections as Garinda rightly requires.
The Dickensian Fair, Grassington was mentioned as an example. Beautiful Dales village, popular with tourists all year round ( Compare with Accrington?).
Fair costs in 2003(8 years ago)-Skipton website.
Total cost-£30,000.Insurance-£2000.portable loos £1500(Accrington will need them!).45,000 programmes,not costed but £1000 to distribute. Can't find list of other costs.
They got some money back by charging £5 car parking-8 years ago! Could Accrington get away with special parking charges?
As far as I can see that was for 3 Saturdays.
With inflation at 5%-I think thats about £44-£45 thousand pounds(can't remember how to do compound interest) and I'll bet it's actually a lot more now.
Returns - someone tell me! How do you get any of that money back?
Can HBC afford that? Will volunteers be able to do it for nothing? No to both.
Some lovely ideas but in todays climate not on! Just being a realist.

A-b did suggest starting on a small scale to begin with, based around St. James church.

The heritage thing is done a lot, but people like it, and we're lucky, the town centre has an abundance of it.

We're told the fireworks alone cost six grand.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Leon Kelly

Ok people.... Hopefully this will bring a smile to some faces on here, I have just come back from the Accrington Regeneration Board meeting and the xmas lights for next year where brought up...

Next year we have moved the lights to Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th November 2012, On the Saturday we will have a christmas fayre market using the traders that are in the market, plans have only been mentioned today so i dont have a list of the ins and outs yet however the market traders were very supportive and want to be involved so that should keep a percentage happy, We are going to have choirs from local schools and churches through the day, the main stage will again be up and running and entertainment throughout the day will be on till late evening with a fireworks display, and Sunday they are going to be having an xmas service with carols and things at the chruches, I brought up your points and they were listened to..... So lets see how it goes

Genuinely, that sounds a great move forward.

Thank you.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Leon Kelly

Ok people.... Hopefully this will bring a smile to some faces on here, I have just come back from the Accrington Regeneration Board meeting and the xmas lights for next year where brought up...

Next year we have moved the lights to Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th November 2012, On the Saturday we will have a christmas fayre market using the traders that are in the market, plans have only been mentioned today so i dont have a list of the ins and outs yet however the market traders were very supportive and want to be involved so that should keep a percentage happy, We are going to have choirs from local schools and churches through the day, the main stage will again be up and running and entertainment throughout the day will be on till late evening with a fireworks display, and Sunday they are going to be having an xmas service with carols and things at the chruches, I brought up your points and they were listened to..... So lets see how it goes

Good for you!

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Leon Kelly

Ok people.... Hopefully this will bring a smile to some faces on here, I have just come back from the Accrington Regeneration Board meeting and the xmas lights for next year where brought up...

Next year we have moved the lights to Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th November 2012, On the Saturday we will have a christmas fayre market using the traders that are in the market, plans have only been mentioned today so i dont have a list of the ins and outs yet however the market traders were very supportive and want to be involved so that should keep a percentage happy, We are going to have choirs from local schools and churches through the day, the main stage will again be up and running and entertainment throughout the day will be on till late evening with a fireworks display, and Sunday they are going to be having an xmas service with carols and things at the chruches, I brought up your points and they were listened to..... So lets see how it goes

Wow -a result -sort of! Great Scott...or whoever...

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Ahh,Margaret, I learn yet again! I thought the red responses on Gayles attachment were her listings of her responsabilities!I said it might be an age thing!
Now I understand- I owe jedimaster an apology and he has it.Or he will when he comes on line again.
As for over 30, I agree but if you and I went in Leons club I think the noise would blow us out of the doors-it wouldn't need the bouncers. Different ages want different entertainment. Accyweb isn't a representative cross section of Accrington.

I never did the club scene(and have no plans to start at this advanced stage of my life)....but I have been to music concerts.
And yes different ages do tend to want different entertainment, but I think that when catering for a communtiy event, you have to be broad enough to bring in a variety of ages.
And I take your point about Accyweb not being truly representative.....but most of us boring old birds have friends and family who are younger(and possibly more vibrant) I don't know anyone in my circle of associates who went to this Switch on event.
I don't doubt what Leon says about it being a success, I'm sure the peole who went had a very nice time. And what succeeds one year tends to be replicated the next year and so on....so it becomes a bit staid and stale.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Leon Kelly

Ok people.... Hopefully this will bring a smile to some faces on here, I have just come back from the Accrington Regeneration Board meeting and the xmas lights for next year where brought up...

Next year we have moved the lights to Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th November 2012, On the Saturday we will have a christmas fayre market using the traders that are in the market, plans have only been mentioned today so i dont have a list of the ins and outs yet however the market traders were very supportive and want to be involved so that should keep a percentage happy, We are going to have choirs from local schools and churches through the day, the main stage will again be up and running and entertainment throughout the day will be on till late evening with a fireworks display, and Sunday they are going to be having an xmas service with carols and things at the chruches, I brought up your points and they were listened to..... So lets see how it goes

Hooray.........that is excellent news. Well done for representing our ideas.
Thank you!

[Margaret Pilkington]

I'm going to put that in my new diary.......when I get it

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Hooray.........that is excellent news. Well done for representing our ideas.
Thank you!

It is.

Save you a seat?

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I never did the club scene(and have no plans to start at this advanced stage of my life)....but I have been to music concerts.
And yes different ages do tend to want different entertainment, but I think that when catering for a communtiy event, you have to be broad enough to bring in a variety of ages.
And I take your point about Accyweb not being truly representative.....but most of us boring old birds have friends and family who are younger(and possibly more vibrant) I don't know anyone in my circle of associates who went to this Switch on event.
I don't doubt what Leon says about it being a success, I'm sure the peole who went had a very nice time. And what succeeds one year tends to be replicated the next year and so on....so it becomes a bit staid and stale.

Excuse me Margaret -as a boring old bird myself, who like your good self enjoys Elbow and Cold-Play, perhaps we should consider ourselves more and push for what we like too....we aren' that far off the mainstream -just a bit more up-market and there's nothing wrong in that at all. No more apologies - power to the ladies!

[annesingleton]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Lets get practical- cost projections as Garinda rightly requires.
The Dickensian Fair, Grassington was mentioned as an example. Beautiful Dales village, popular with tourists all year round ( Compare with Accrington?).
Fair costs in 2003(8 years ago)-Skipton website.
Total cost-£30,000.Insurance-£2000.portable loos £1500(Accrington will need them!).45,000 programmes,not costed but £1000 to distribute. Can't find list of other costs.
They got some money back by charging £5 car parking-8 years ago! Could Accrington get away with special parking charges?
As far as I can see that was for 3 Saturdays.
With inflation at 5%-I think thats about £44-£45 thousand pounds(can't remember how to do compound interest) and I'll bet it's actually a lot more now.
Returns - someone tell me! How do you get any of that money back?
Can HBC afford that? Will volunteers be able to do it for nothing? No to both.
Some lovely ideas but in todays climate not on! Just being a realist.

I can only make out £4500 here, why would there be a need for portable toilets when we are talking about an afternoon/early evening. Why a need for programmes when posters/ emails would suffice? Why can Hyndburn council not liaise with Rawtenstall council who seem to be having some success in their own quite deprived area which is nothing like Grassington or is that not allowed? Are you thinking too deeply about this? Are you able to say what the £25000 excess in Grassington consisted of? I know this answer sounds a bit aggressive but it's honestly not intended to be, it really is just my genuine curiosity based on my ignorance and naivety on this subject.