Clare's Law -Pilot scheme - Page 3

jaysay · 29-04-2013, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Eric

Really! That's crazy. Some dangerous sex offenders serve their time and are then released. If they are considered likely to re-offend, then the public has a right to be informed if they are in a particular community. The Supreme Court of Canadan has consistently ruled that the rights of the public to live in safety outweigh the rights of a particular individual. And I don't have a problem with that.

Neither have any right minded people Eric, mind you I doubt that Canada is hog tied with so many human rights fanatics as we are here

jaysay · 29-04-2013, 08:03

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Originally Posted by cashman

Thats the big problem in this country, Theres no better way to put it. Been too many examples of Blatant, even deliberate sometimes cock ups,

Quite right Cashy, how many times do we see people committing crimes, even murder, while out on bail

Eric · 29-04-2013, 16:40

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Neither have any right minded people Eric, mind you I doubt that Canada is hog tied with so many human rights fanatics as we are here

It's not that we are unconcerned about human rights, and there are screw ups ... ususally from parole boards releasing dangerous people. And we have numerous activist groups. It's just that folks over here, though we like our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, seem to be ok with dealing with things on a case to case basis. Our Supreme Court ... and it's a body that really works ... often makes rulings which leave some discretion to the lower courts. For example, a woman is allowed to testify while wearing a bag over her head as long as the trial judge rules that it will not prejudice the trial. We have freedom of speech, but there is a point at which it becomes a hate crime. Dangerous people released into the community after completing their sentences can be identified to the community by local police departments ... but on a case to case basis. Let's face it, one would need an infinity of thumbs to plug all the holes in the dike (alternate spelling to avoid confusion

) ... so, there has to be room for a little common sense. So ... with a little common sense, a Clare's Law is quite feasible.

westendlass · 29-04-2013, 16:55

I'd also like to know if it's possible to find out about known offenders ie the so called Ossy Rapist. From what I remember he got 20years about 20years ago. He struck fear in to our local community. Will the local community be told when he is due for release and would there be restrictions on him coming back in to this area. ?

cashman · 29-04-2013, 17:03

The odds are if he got 20 yrs about 20 yrs ago, Hes long been out of nick. WRONG but very likely.

westendlass · 29-04-2013, 17:06

I think, from what I heard at the time, he'd been inside for some serious sex attack before. Would that mean he would have had to serve the full sentence.?

jaysay · 29-04-2013, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Eric

It's not that we are unconcerned about human rights, and there are screw ups ... ususally from parole boards releasing dangerous people. And we have numerous activist groups. It's just that folks over here, though we like our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, seem to be ok with dealing with things on a case to case basis. Our Supreme Court ... and it's a body that really works ... often makes rulings which leave some discretion to the lower courts. For example, a woman is allowed to testify while wearing a bag over her head as long as the trial judge rules that it will not prejudice the trial. We have freedom of speech, but there is a point at which it becomes a hate crime. Dangerous people released into the community after completing their sentences can be identified to the community by local police departments ... but on a case to case basis. Let's face it, one would need an infinity of thumbs to plug all the holes in the dike (alternate spelling to avoid confusion

) ... so, there has to be room for a little common sense. So ... with a little common sense, a Clare's Law is quite feasible.

Ya Eric but the only thing that will be missing here is common sense.

jaysay · 29-04-2013, 17:09

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Originally Posted by westendlass

I think, from what I heard at the time, he'd been inside for some serious sex attack before. Would that mean he would have had to serve the full sentence.?

The only time that happens is when the judge makes a mandatory sentence, in other words he sets the tariff when passing judgment

cashman · 29-04-2013, 17:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The only time that happens is when the judge makes a mandatory sentence, in other words he sets the tariff when passing judgment

Exactly, unless that happened hes been long out imho.

jaysay · 29-04-2013, 17:24

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Originally Posted by cashman

Exactly, unless that happened hes been long out imho.

That's exactly what I have against our judicial system Cashy, what's the point of giving a 20 year sentence if they aren't going to serve anywhere near that, 20 years they'll be lucky if they do 10, if these cretins knew exactly what they would get, life meaning life, 30 years you do 30 years, their minds might be a little more focused before they commit these crimes.

westendlass · 29-04-2013, 17:33

Exactly right Jaysay, the sentences should be exactly what they say. Personally, I think people like the 'Ossy Rapist ' should get a one way ticket to the abatoir.

jaysay · 29-04-2013, 17:38

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Originally Posted by westendlass

Exactly right Jaysay, the sentences should be exactly what they say. Personally, I think people like the 'Ossy Rapist ' should get a one way ticket to the abatoir.

I prefer a nice comfy seat for him myself, with wires to the mains and a nice little switch when he's not expecting it, warm him up a bit

westendlass · 29-04-2013, 17:53

Seriously, it's scary to think that creatures like that could still be walking the streets. I don't think animals like that will ever be 'cured' and should be taken out of society for everybody's sake. They will always be a threat no matter what the bleeding hearts say.!

DaveinGermany · 29-04-2013, 18:15

As far as I can gather, sex offenders who are released into the community are placed on the sex offenders list & are required to register with the Police, housing agency & their controller, they are expected to follow a set procedure covering exclusion from certain people & places etc.

The general public aren't made aware (for fear of reprisals to the offender) as shown by the "Jamie Bulger case". But I think immediate family can be informed by the Police but the information is not allowed to be passed on, doing so makes the "informer" liable to prosecution. (so I am led to believe)

Less · 29-04-2013, 18:22

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Originally Posted by westendlass

I'd also like to know if it's possible to find out about known offenders ie the so called Ossy Rapist. From what I remember he got 20years about 20years ago. He struck fear in to our local community. Will the local community be told when he is due for release and would there be restrictions on him coming back in to this area. ?

If I remember correctly there was a thread on here a few years ago he was coming up for parole, also if memory is correct even his sister was against him getting it.