Closing the stable door when the horse has gone

jaysay · 23-01-2010, 15:54

Boy torturers of Edlington: parents face prosecution - Times Online

So the parents of the two feral brothers that torchered and nearly killed to youngsters are to be prosecuted, its a bit late now, why wasn't something done earlier when concerns were raised, mind you it is Doncaster who have a very poor track record in this department

webglynne · 23-01-2010, 16:34

Linking this with the case of the goldfish as a suspicious person I am wondering if it is not a case of what is done but to whom it is done and that policing is only done on the roads and Nob Hill!”

DaveinGermany · 23-01-2010, 17:40

Once again the Politicians are wringing their hands & asking how can this happen ? How simple must the answer be ? Because you people are not taking action !!! I must honestly admit to thinking that at times like this we don't have a good enough punishment to mete out to these two things.

If I suggested hanging I would be deemed a barbarian, draconian & living in the dark ages, but would this not be better than the alternative, the case is cut & dried there are no mitigating circumstances here, they have committed this heinous crime & show no remorse. Put them away for life ? within 15 - 18 years time they will be released back into the community, more than likely to commit more crimes, maybe lesser, on par or quite possibly worse. In the meantime who will be paying for these creatures ? what benefit will they be providing to society ? How much will it cost the public purse ?

So before dismissing my points out of hand & deriding the points I have made, think on this. How would you feel with them living on your street near your Family & Children, & what would of happened to a family pet Dog had it turned on some kids on the street & attacked them ? At least the Dog has some small excuse as it is descended from Wolves, think about it !

As to the parents they have no right to claim the aforementioned accolade, they are not parents they are just adults who've created life, in its basest form.

steeljack · 23-01-2010, 19:15

just finished reading one of the other threads (obituaries of famous Accrington folk) one of them caught my eye, Dr James Macalpine seems he was very interested in the 'science' of Eugenics, it had been a popular source of study in the UK and US in the years before the War but later fell out of favour due to PC politics , Seems to me this is a line of study that should be revived as a possible way of preventing incidents like the one mentioned in the first post .

Taggy · 23-01-2010, 19:22

Its Sickening listening to what these animals have done, and all the ruddy talk on tv seems to be about if they can be reabilitated, and what its going to cost, and how long they should have got etc etc...well throw away the ruddy key and forget about the swines....but for God's sake lets talk about the effect this has had on the VICTIMS...not the ruddy perpertrators...and how we can help THEM cope with the rest of their lives!!!

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay · 24-01-2010, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Taggy

Its Sickening listening to what these animals have done, and all the ruddy talk on tv seems to be about if they can be reabilitated, and what its going to cost, and how long they should have got etc etc...well throw away the ruddy key and forget about the swines....but for God's sake lets talk about the effect this has had on the VICTIMS...not the ruddy perpertrators...and how we can help THEM cope with the rest of their lives!!!

Best Regards - Taggy

Isn't it always the case Taggy, the victims are foregotten, whilst the authorities bend over backwards wanting to put this scum back on track

jaysay · 24-01-2010, 11:00

Pie boss Mark Hodson in Doncaster child scandal - Times Online
Is it any surprise they keep getting it wrong

vera · 24-01-2010, 11:16

These two boys will be treated as the two that killed Jamie Bulger. They will be taken on holiday, abroad, i might add, given the very best of everything and want for nothing. That is not a punishment, it is a reward. When they have finished their sentences, indefinate period, 5 years, they too, and their families will be rewarded with a new identity, new home and anything they could ask for as long as they walk this earth. What happened to PUNISHMENT???

DaveinGermany · 24-01-2010, 14:22

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Originally Posted by steeljack

just finished reading one of the other threads (obituaries of famous Accrington folk) one of them caught my eye, Dr James Macalpine seems he was very interested in the 'science' of Eugenics, it had been a popular source of study in the UK and US in the years before the War but later fell out of favour due to PC politics , Seems to me this is a line of study that should be revived as a possible way of preventing incidents like the one mentioned in the first post .

Having looked at information appertaining to the subject of "Eugenics", I do feel that this would be & is a very emotive subject. As with all things there can be positives & negatives but due to the nature of the recent history of Europe, I think raising this topic would lead to a public outcry, although there would be some out there who commend its' merits.

Sadly though we are still dealing more with those who perpetrate such atrocities & what can be done about them, than the victims of said atrocious behaviour. If more of these bleeding heart individuals spent more time with the victims perhaps then attitudes would change for the better, instead of making excuses for "poor little Johnny" whose come from a broken background, maybe, just maybe more attention should be focused on the home & family that has just been destroyed "by poor little Johnny" & his Ilk & until that starts to visibly happen, the great British public will have no, or little time for the Johnny's of this world.

DaveinGermany · 24-01-2010, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Taggy

Its Sickening listening to what these animals have done, and all the ruddy talk on tv seems to be about if they can be reabilitated, and what its going to cost, and how long they should have got etc etc...well throw away the ruddy key and forget about the swines....but for God's sake lets talk about the effect this has had on the VICTIMS...not the ruddy perpertrators...and how we can help THEM cope with the rest of their lives!!!

Best Regards - Taggy

This man, has the right view on things, & I for one am in agreement with his sentiments, but as I've stated in a previous post I wouldn't have any qualms about a key.

steeljack · 24-01-2010, 19:08

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Having looked at information appertaining to the subject of "Eugenics", I do feel that this would be & is a very emotive subject. As with all things there can be positives & negatives but due to the nature of the recent history of Europe, I think raising this topic would lead to a public outcry, although there would be some out there who commend its' merits.

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Guess thats the problem emotions interferring with science .... how many more lives have been saved over the years by Radiation therapy than were killed by the 'bomb' , Sure Science when used badly sometimes does have horrific results , a prime example was the drug Thalidomine (sp?) who would have imagined the stuff still existed and was still in production 40 years after the birth deformities , but its still being used successfully in various treatments.

jaysay · 25-01-2010, 10:37

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Guess thats the problem emotions interferring with science .... how many more lives have been saved over the years by Radiation therapy than were killed by the 'bomb' , Sure Science when used badly sometimes does have horrific results , a prime example was the drug Thalidomine (sp?) who would have imagined the stuff still existed and was still in production 40 years after the birth deformities , but its still being used successfully in various treatments.

I suppose its a case of when one door closes another one opens

Margaret Pilkington · 25-01-2010, 13:12

There are no bad dogs......only bad owners.....so I guess that if we were to take this premise a step further.......there are no bad children, only bad parents.

These two boys had no incentives to be good.......they were tainted by the lifestyle of their feral parents.......parents who allowed them to exposed to all kinds of bad practices, from taking cannabis(their mother put this in their food so that they would sleep - allegedly), drinking alcohol, and watching the most violent and pornographic videos.

They didn't get a childhood at all. I am not making excuses for the actions of these boys......but really they didn't stand a hope in hell of growing up straight.

So what would be the best line of treatment for them now?
I am not sure that these boys can be rehabilitated.......and fear that they will be let out of their 'young offenders camp' in a lot less than 10 years......the press seem to think that they will be allowed out in about 4 years to take their GCSE exams.....that is no time at all for such a hideously pre-meditated crime, and young enough for them to do it all over again.

Lock them away, work them hard(so hard that they haven't the energy to do anything bad) and let them out when someone is sure that they pose no danger to the public...like in 100 years.

cashman · 25-01-2010, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There are no bad dogs......only bad owners.....so I guess that if we were to take this premise a step further.......there are no bad children, only bad parents.

These two boys had no incentives to be good.......they were tainted by the lifestyle of their feral parents.......parents who allowed them to exposed to all kinds of bad practices, from taking cannabis(their mother put this in their food so that they would sleep - allegedly), drinking alcohol, and watching the most violent and pornographic videos.

They didn't get a childhood at all. I am not making excuses for the actions of these boys......but really they didn't stand a hope in hell of growing up straight.

So what would be the best line of treatment for them now?
I am not sure that these boys can be rehabilitated.......and fear that they will be let out of their 'young offenders camp' in a lot less than 10 years......the press seem to think that they will be allowed out in about 4 years to take their GCSE exams.....that is no time at all for such a hideously pre-meditated crime, and young enough for them to do it all over again.

Lock them away, work them hard(so hard that they haven't the energy to do anything bad) and let them out when someone is sure that they pose no danger to the public...like in 100 years.

not a hope in hell of any government taking that kind of action, its far too sensible.