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[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

After last week's outrageous display of anti-British sentiment, I'd be organising mass protests, showing that the greater majority of people in this country are sickened by what happened, and is happening.

How about it, councillors of Hyndburn?

You managed to get a thousand kids waving banners in the summer, encouraging us to recycle, how about using your considerable powers to organise a massive protest outside the Town Hall, next weekend?

Uniting all sections of the community, under the banner of 'Not in Our Name'.

I'll come.

I'll even help you publicise it.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Thanks Steve, glad you see me in that light.

If something is wrong it is wrong full stop. Race doesn't come into it. The poppy burning fiasco was wrong and letting them get away with it, whatever party is pulling the Westminster strings, is equally wrong.

Shame on them all.

Thank you Ken, you have made it clear that you stand with the majority. As stated elsewhere - it cannot be racial hatred as there are many people of many races who are Muslim.
These were Muslims inciting religous hatred - I believe that is a crime in UK.
All political parties should unite on this issue - I did not want it to become political.
As for it being an anti-war protest as MargaretR seems to suggest - what absolute tripe. Margaret,
Sprechen Sie fließendes Deutsches?
Because if so many of those heroes had not made the ultimate sacrifice and laid down there lives - that is what you would have had to speak. By all means express your opinions and hold your beliefs, but do not insult the intelligence of those who are realistic about the sacrifices made by our fallen.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

I'll even help you publicise it.

It'd result in more (good) publicity for the borough, than a load of kids fannying about in leg warmers, taking part in a costly flash mob dance.

Look forward to reading your replies, councillors.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by garinda

How about it, councillors of Hyndburn?

You managed to get a thousand kids waving banners in the summer, encouraging us to recycle, how about using your considerable powers to organise a massive protest outside the Town Hall, next weekend?

Uniting all sections of the community, under the banner of 'Not in Our Name'.

I'll come.

I'll even help you publicise it.

Now is a good time for it Rindy - it is the Hajj, the ritual pilgrimage that all Muslims should undertake at least once in their lives.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by garinda

It'd result in more (good) publicity for the borough, than a load of kids fannying about in leg warmers, taking part in a costly flash mob dance.

Look forward to reading your replies, councillors.

With a bit of luck it would rain very hard and then everyone could swim up Peel St

[accyman]

its only racial hatred if its offending the muslims infact its pretty much standard procedure to let anything slide as long as its not directed or seen as an insult to muslims.Maybe this is because the majority of faiths when offended dont riot in the streets,blow things up or behead people.Its quite clearly a case of dont upset them because they will kick off so in order to keep them quiet remove freedom of speech and class anything that might upset the litlle darlings as racist.

well thats how i see it anyway

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Now is a good time for it Rindy - it is the Hajj, the ritual pilgrimage that all Muslims should undertake at least once in their lives.

I'll eat my hat if it happens.

I'll eat the flowers off my hat, if any councillor other than Ken, even bothers to comment.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

As for it being an anti-war protest as MargaretR seems to suggest - what absolute tripe. Margaret,
Sprechen Sie fließendes Deutsches?
Because if so many of those heroes had not made the ultimate sacrifice and laid down there lives - that is what you would have had to speak. By all means express your opinions and hold your beliefs, but do not insult the intelligence of those who are realistic about the sacrifices made by our fallen.

I had three uncles who served in the forces in WW2.
I have condemned the poppy burning too, and did actually remark -

"I like to think that I can make a legal protest on whatever topic I feel strongly about. The ones who died, died for that right. It should not be made illegal to offend anyones dignity"
The debate is - was it illegal and if not, should it be.

Cashy described them as 'dickheads' - race, colour, nationality, are no bar to being one - we have plenty home bred.

Garinda remarked that race should not be confused with religion, and rightly so.

Some dickheads burnt the koran - offence to a religion
Some dickheads burnt poppies - offence to a nation

Neither seems to fall under the category of - offence to a race.
(since being white British is just being part of a larger racial group and many of the fallen were of other races)

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I had three uncles who served in the forces in WW2.
I have condemned the poppy burning too, and did actually remark -

"I like to think that I can make a legal protest on whatever topic I feel strongly about. The ones who died, died for that right. It should not be made illegal to offend anyones dignity"
The debate is - was it illegal and if not, should it be.

Cashy described them as 'dickheads' - race, colour, nationality, are no bar to being one - we have plenty home bred.

Garinda remarked that race should not be confused with religion, and rightly so.

Some dickheads burnt the koran - offence to a religion
Some dickheads burnt poppies - offence to a nation

Neither seems to fall under the category of - offence to a race.
(since being white British is just being part of a larger racial group and many of the fallen were of other races)

'It has been suggested Britons fighting for the Taleban or radical Islamist preachers could be charged with treason.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What are the laws on treason?

Chanting that British soldiers should 'burn in Hell', it might be worth a try.

The charge of treason, though rarely used, it is worth noting that in the last World War, those deemed enemies of the State, were imprisoned.

Can't see any difference now, in what we are told is a war.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

'It has been suggested Britons fighting for the Taleban or radical Islamist preachers could be charged with treason.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What are the laws on treason?

Chanting that British soldiers should 'burn in Hell', it might be worth a try.

The charge of treason, though rarely used, it is worth noting that in the last World War, those deemed enemies of the State, were imprisoned.

Can't see any difference now, in what we are told is a war.

If those muslims who were shouting "british troops burn in hell" are British then the crime of Treason is the best discription... and I don't recall any Islamic fanatics staging such protests when British troops were in Bosnia and Kosovo protecting the muslim population.

[andrewb]

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

[jaysay]

What I can't understand is people have been arrested for allegedly burning copies of the Koran, yet the mob burning poppies and waving banners attacking British troops, let alone giving interview with Sunday newspapers, making more vile and treasonous statements are still walking the streets

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

No Andrew, we have laws, hard fought for, that does allow free speech.

However we also have statutes in place that are there to prevent those who spout hatred, incitement to violence, etc.

Some argue, and do, that freedom of speech should allow anyone to broadcast their beliefs, whatever they are, or however abhorent those views are to the greater majority, for example those who think it's a consensual relationship, when an adult has sex with a child, of which there are groups in the Netherlands and the U.S.

Somethings should not be allowed the privilege of free speech.

Especially when that speech calls for the death, harm, loss of liberty, or hatred of others.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

I'll eat my hat if it happens.

I'll eat the flowers off my hat, if any councillor other than Ken, even bothers to comment.

Well, that's eight silk petals, I've eaten...so far.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

Well, that's eight silk petals, I've eaten...so far.

don't worry G...they will pass easily in the morning...and you won't need more than one sheet(?) of Charmin.........sorry....I know this is a serious thread, but I just couldn't help it.