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[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

don't worry G...they will pass easily in the morning.

A rose?

By any other name.

Something to look forward to then.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

what a load of crap there is NO time and place for that insult to the fallen, we are all aware many muslims also died fighting fer our country, i was also aware only this morning when i was having a fag in the yard, my next door neighbors who happen to be muslim, were watching the remembrance parade on there telly,many muslims are against these fanatics/extremists, only problem is most don't speak out about it, wether peer pressure or in their way protecting their kids i do not know, if you andrew think theres a time n place to burn poppies n chant british soldiers burn in hell, then yer stupider than i perceived. so please tell us when you think this time is?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

A rose?

By any other name.

Something to look forward to then.

Well, Yes...as long as you didn't eat the t horns...if you did..... you can wave goodbye to your haemorrhoids.

[Wynonie Harris]

Well, Gary, looks like your headgear and its attendant floral decorations are safe.

With the honourable exception of Ken, not one local councillor has had the guts to come on here and condemn this affront.

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."

[Less]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

They know, Oh yes, they know,

But will they do anything?

[Wynonie Harris]

Considering that the majority of politicians at both national and local level are busy pretending it hasn't happened, I would say no.

What a pity more of them can't take his lead...

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, of Birmingham Perry Bar, said: “It’s just absolute nonsense. These people have no regard or respect for the people who are prepared to give their lives for the country, and if they don’t like it they can hop it and leave. They have these rights to protest that are afforded to them because people have given their lives up for those rights."

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Considering that the majority of politicians at both national and local level are busy pretending it hasn't happened, I would say no.

What a pity more of them can't take his lead...

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, of Birmingham Perry Bar, said: “It’s just absolute nonsense. These people have no regard or respect for the people who are prepared to give their lives for the country, and if they don’t like it they can hop it and leave. They have these rights to protest that are afforded to them because people have given their lives up for those rights."

It is all well and good for him to say this......he knows thast they won't leave as many of them are born here.......have been educated here, are claiming benefits here (and would not be able to have the life and comforts they have here anywhere else)......that we the (mugs) taxpayers are funding.

[Wynonie Harris]

Maybe, but at least he's spoken out; that's more than most of his fellow parliamentarians have and, of course, the local politicos on here.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, Gary, looks like your headgear and its attendant floral decorations are safe.

With the honourable exception of Ken, not one local councillor has had the guts to come on here and condemn this affront.

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."

Looks like you may be right.

I did nibble the odd petal whilst waiting, bored, but it looks life the rest of blooms are safe.

I don't know what came over me.

Having the cheek to demand that those closet to us in the chain of government, offered a little guidance, and leadership, in the hope that the few wouldn't tarnish the whole. Asking for things...it's akin to bullying. I apologise most humbly to our elected representatives.

Then again, perhaps it was just anger because today's Rememberance Sunday, and the day I see my mum annually broken-hearted and in tears, for the father who never got to hold her in his arms as a baby, or even see her. Him being killed a few months before her birth.

Silly me for thinking that politicans should notice that the electorate are sick and fed up of the silence, that follows outrage, after outrage, carrried out in the name of religion, by evil bigots who primary desire is to curtail the freedoms we enjoy, and our country fought for.

I think if anyone had the gumption, and organised a rally, in little over a week after the poppy burning happened, and brought the community together, in an inter, and no faith demonstration, that things like the Rememberance Day Burn in Hell 'protest', was carried out by a few, and not the many, and 'Not in Our Name', a great deal could have been achieved in helping to heal the wounds these scum have caused.

Nevermind.

At least my freakin' hat still has some life left in it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Maybe, but at least he's spoken out; that's more than most of his fellow parliamentarians have and, of course, the local politicos on here.

He has.

Miraculous!

A politican unafraid of publicly speaking his mind, and showing a little leadership, unafraid that it might cost him the odd vote, or two.

If he stood in Hyndburn, he'd have mine.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

To be fair, Graham hasn't been on since Friday anyway, and may possibly be tied up with his parliamentary work.

Quite surprised at the no-show from Ken though, as he usually has a refreshingly non-PC, but common sense approach to matters.

As for the rest of 'em, Labour politicos appear to show a curious reluctance to condemn anything to do with muslims, no matter how out of line. As for Tory politicos, none of 'em have the bottle to come on here anyway.

Do I take it right that muslims tend to vote Labour

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Eric

Do I take it right that muslims tend to vote Labour

I'm not sure that there's a trend in either direction, although Springhill is a Labour stronghold within Hyndburn. I would like to think that the majority of British Muslims would be against what happened on Thursday, much the same as the Koran-burning idiots in America were reviled by most Christians.

What has annoyed me is the cover-up, presumably based on that most powerful of all words, 'racism'. The government (of whichever colour) invites future problems by ignoring instances like this and not coming down equally hard on Muslims as well as Christians. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander and at the moment it isn't.

There's no two ways about it, racism still only works one way in Great Britain.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.

It isn't about 'banning things we dislike', more about dishing out punishment in an even-handed way. If a Christian group organised the same thing with hateful placards outside a mosque on a Muslim holy day there would be media uproar and many arrests. It would be equally wrong yet treated in a far more serious way.

The law should be exercised with equal force on all people within the boundaries of Great Britain, it is the only way to have a truly fair society. Holding back because it might be considered racist will not only breed contempt but also make a mockery of our entire country.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

There's no two ways about it, racism still only works one way in Great Britain.

As far as the law's concerned, it's there to protect everyone. There have been prosecutions in Scotland, in which the English have been targets of racial hatred, for example.

The bigger problem seems to be with the establishment in general. The bodies and people who run our political system, police force, media etc.

Perhaps our councillors think it's nothing to do with them. After all the poppy burning took place in London.

They are too blind to see that us, with a large Muslim minority of residents, would have been an ideal place to organise a 'Not in Our Name' protest/petition/whatever. It could begin to heal the hurt and fear that's been caused by a few idiots.

If politicans don't latch on quickly, to the fact that here is real fear regarding the erosion of our democracy, it will lead to a growth in support for extremism, at both ends of the spectrum.

Germany in the twenties was in economic meltdown. People looked for leadership. Sadly there was someone there, offering people, who up until then had been liberally minded, a direction to go in.

We'll just have to wait, to see if anyone here offers the promise of a solution.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by Eric

Do I take it right that muslims tend to vote Labour

Only the bought ones the free thinkers vary quite considerably as do Hindu's and various tribes from all over the world.