Corona Virus

[Margaret Pilkington]

The people who are being cautioned on their flouting of lockdown are an easy target...and there are those who will applaud the police as doing a grand job.
A grand job by the police would be the control of the capital city street gangs who consider it a cultural/tribal honour to stab someone.
They would be doing a grand job if they were more successful in controlling the county lines drug offences.
They would be doing a grand job if they were not so politically squeamish in tackling the use of white girls for sexual trafficking....but all those things are far harder than tackling people who want to break the monotony of six weeks(questionable validity) lockdown.

Now if all this sounds a bit petulant...it is because it is.
I have abided by the lockdown but in a very begrudging way....because I do not take lightly having six weeks of my life stolen from me.

Now go on....tell me that my life could have been permanently stolen by the virus if I had gone out and about.
Yes. That is true, but it would have been my risk to take....and the last time I looked at my birth certificate I was over 21....so adult enough (and capable) of making my own risk assessment without the aid of the boys in blue.

[taddy]

You tell em ,Marge.

[Exile on Spencer St]

You’re not the only one, Margaret!
This situation seems to have revealed the gestapo tendencies that lie just below the surface of many in our own police forces...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...disgracefully/

[Margaret Pilkington]

The staying at home is advisory. no laws are being broken, because there are no laws involved.
Even Matt Hancock recently reiterated the fact that these instructions to stay home were advisory....and I cannot think of anywhere where the exercise period per day is quantified at one hour.....the police are making it up as they go along and folk are falling for it...is that how the nazis operated?
Science tells us that we are at far less risk of contracting the virus out of doors...because the viral particles(if present) are vastly diluted.
Also there is some evidence that the virus is rendered inactive by sunlight.

What are these police thinking of, coming strong arm tactics is not the right way to go about these issues

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The people who are being cautioned on their flouting of lockdown are an easy target...and there are those who will applaud the police as doing a grand job.
A grand job by the police would be the control of the capital city street gangs who consider it a cultural/tribal honour to stab someone.
They would be doing a grand job if they were more successful in controlling the county lines drug offences.
They would be doing a grand job if they were not so politically squeamish in tackling the use of white girls for sexual trafficking....but all those things are far harder than tackling people who want to break the monotony of six weeks(questionable validity) lockdown.

Now if all this sounds a bit petulant...it is because it is.
I have abided by the lockdown but in a very begrudging way....because I do not take lightly having six weeks of my life stolen from me.

Now go on....tell me that my life could have been permanently stolen by the virus if I had gone out and about.
Yes. That is true, but it would have been my risk to take....and the last time I looked at my birth certificate I was over 21....so adult enough (and capable) of making my own risk assessment without the aid of the boys in blue.

petulance does yeh no good Margaret its ok saying it would be your risk to take, but i doubt very much if you were unfortunate enough to get it, that you would ever forgive yourself if you passed it on to others?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy, that may be so, but I feel that it should be ME making that choice.

I am quite capable of determining risks....and deciding whether they are worth taking or not.
I really do resent having six weeks of my life controlled by people who have no real concern for my well being.

I have been monitoring both himself and me for any signs that might indicate infection.....and I can do that far easier than many others.

I do not believe that the situation has been handled in the best way....and the more I see and the more I am sure that we have trashed the economy on the say so of a scientist with questionable credentials.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy, that may be so, but I feel that it should be ME making that choice.

I am quite capable of determining risks....and deciding whether they are worth taking or not.
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dont doubt that at all, end of the day theres a hell of a lot of beanheads that are not.to me they have no choice but to tell.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Lancashire Police saw a chap paragliding over Pendle Hill and sent him on his way.

Have the police nothing better to do?
Ok, so the man travelled from the Manchester area to Pendle,but honestly...what harm was he doing?

Well the view from my ivory tower, (I got bored in lock down and not being able to travel horizontally for fear of meeting other mere mortals I decided to build upwards so that I could have a clearer view of the area) Yes the police were heavy handed, the police are always heavy handed they are trained to be heavy handed.
However the paraglider was selfish, had he used common sense he wouldn't even have contemplated making his journey so he is to blame for goading the plod into their overreaction.

[Margaret Pilkington]

A blanket ban on age alone is unacceptable.
Suppose it had been known at the outset that the Black, Asian and Ethnic Minorities were at greater risk of dying from this virus......and they had been told that they should lock themselves away until a vaccine was available.
What do you think would have been the reaction?
The majority of people who have succumbed to this illness have been in the elderly age group and the vast majority have had underlying conditions.

I do not trust how the statistics have been reported because if you have heart failure and you get this virus, your death will be put down to the virus, even if it was heart failure that you died from.
Anyone who is positively diagnosed with C-19.... if they die within 60 days of being diagnosed, their death will be recorded as a C-19 death....whatever the actual cause was.

The campaign to keep people locked away has been so pervasive that people are scared to go back to work....or go about a normal life.

If governments were here to protect the people, then they would have ensured that frontline workers were adequately protected.....because if they go under we are stuffed.

Governments are only in the business of covering their ass...and both you and I have lived long enough to know this is true.

Much of what was done was too little, too late.....and some of the blame for that has to lie with China for not reporting the virus soon enough.

[cashman]

i read a report last week of a japanese specialist who worked in wuhan at that place, he had returned home, he said he had many chinese friends who worked yon, and had rung them all to see how they were,not one of their phones would accept his call, he suspects very strongly that they all have been exterminated, myself i dont doubt that at all.

[Less]

We have endured this lock down for so many weeks that my frail mind can hardly remember what it is like to live normally. (I think in my case it was back in 1973 worst two minutes of my life) I can understand that it was needed to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed by us all being sick at once, it would appear that, that has been successful.

I am prepared to go out and about and mix with other folk like we used to do except, the 'experts' told us that because this virus is so new none of us have immunity, if that is the case, surely we have to expect new cases no matter when the lock down is removed?

So wouldn't it be better sooner rather than later? at least then we can enjoy the summer, get out and about in the fresh air which has got to be better at preventing the virus being caught than being forced to stay in the stale and getting staler atmosphere of our own homes?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

However the paraglider was selfish, had he used common sense he wouldn't even have contemplated making his journey so he is to blame for goading the plod into their overreaction.

Maybe he was selfish(in the sense that had anything gone amiss he would have been relying on the emergency services to rescue him).....but he was actually doing no one any harm.
He wasn't even breaking any laws.
The police could have ignored him.
The fact that the police can be provoked into a reaction does not build any kind of confidence in their ability to be balanced.

What is wrong with driving to a lonely spot for a spot of your favoured activity?
As long as you go alone in your cocoon of a vehicle(not spreading virus)
In the open air.....from a 100 feet up, he is creating no problems at all.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Maybe he was selfish(in the sense that had anything gone amiss he would have been relying on the emergency services to rescue him).....but he was actually doing no one any harm.
He wasn't even breaking any laws.
The police could have ignored him.
The fact that the police can be provoked into a reaction does not build any kind of confidence in their ability to be balanced.

What is wrong with driving to a lonely spot for a spot of your favoured activity?
As long as you go alone in your cocoon of a vehicle(not spreading virus)
In the open air.....from a 100 feet up, he is creating no problems at all.

Margaret, I disagree with none of the above when taken in the context of normality, however these are not normal times therefore paragliding cannot be considered a reasonable activity along with many, many other activities that the majority of us are foresaking.

There is a time and a place for us all to follow our own forms of normality, in the middle of a lock down we all have to go that little bit further to ensure that our actions cannot be misconstrued by those put in a place of power that they aren't capable of interpreting correctly.

The sooner I can go paragliding without facing the wrath of the small minded the better I'll like it.*




* Mind you, I think when freedom of choice is once more returned to us, I think I'll keep my feet firmly on the ground and turn my daily excercise towards the door of my local pub.

[monkey hanger]

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
He wasn't even breaking any laws.
The police could have ignored him.
The fact that the police can be provoked into a reaction does not build any kind of confidence in their ability to be balanced.

thats why the police have looked really stupid at times lately. made the keystone cops look seriously as they cannot arrest people as no laws have been broken. there has been some real funny stuff on youtube due to this.
everyone is making stuff up as they go along and the plod being a big offender.

[monkey hanger]

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1

The campaign to keep people locked away has been so pervasive that people are scared to go back to work....or go about a normal life.

just wonder if this house arrest thing has set a precident. next time there is a new winter flu big outbreak again will we be all required to go through this once again.