Corrie's Bill Roach believes in Reincarnation!

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Doug

I remember being sent to a Catholic School in Accrington while a I waited for a place at Green Howarth. On my first day a nice Gentleman ridiculed me by pointing at me a saying to the whole class that I was a none believer, a dirty little prod, I didn't even know what a (F) prod was. I said should I go and wash my hands and the bastard hit me. I was bullied badly for about four months by teachers and kids all of them Catholics.

After I got to Green Howarth a nice teacher call Mrs. H. beat me across the left hand has often as she could, just because I had a bent to write left handed. I was told it was a sign of evil. She was a good Catholic lady.

Many years later when I got married my new mother in law promised me on my wedding day that she would see me cast out of her daughters life and turn my son away from me; and she did. She was a good Catholic lady too.

I haven't clue why they hated me so much…..I never even went to church, I was born there.

Catholics and other religions are well known for executing mental and physical abuse through the ages - so I suppose they are all hypocrites.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I don't have a religion.
I understand how some people assume that religion and reincarnation belief neccessarily go together.
They don't - so all this religion talk is off thread.

The problem with reincarnation is that we know what makes us human is a brain and if that brain is damaged then what we are is reduced, we don't have the same functions. So when we die the brain dies - so without a brain how can it carry on when we know what we percieve as consciousness is a sum of many parts. Surviving death suggests we can exist independantly as a whole - when we know we can't physically exist if part of the brain is damaged.

Also it takes a male and female to produce a child - so if there is reincarnation then how come we have to come back through that. No one yet has come back without being re-born! Oh! I forget it is claimed Jesus Will - the Second Coming!

[MargaretR]

If you ever get a visit from a dead person you might change your mind about what you believe.
Belief is better based on personal experience.

You might diagnose it as chemical imbalance in your brain, or a vivid imagination.

It is for you to decide how you percieve what happened. Whichever way you decide, it is bound to be what you are comfortable believing.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by mobertol

As a born sceptic, i'm afraid that the whole reincarnation thing is just another selfish way of thinking you can hang on to life. So much of all religions is about control, power and making money by keeping people living in fear of their own mortality. They are all tied into the very earliest superstitions of man linked to sun worship, fertility and the seasons. The basics of life. We, at an RC school danced round maypoles every year dressed in white for example...there are harvest festivals in churches, Xmas itself being held in the depths of winter is a throw back to ancient pagan festivals which were in place before the Christian church came into being.

People believe all sorts of weird things, that's OK by me a long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat or impose them on the masses. What if Scientology takes over the world? Tom Cruise is a great ambassador for this silliness. We'd all be looking back up to the stars which is what our ancestors did many thousands of years ago....

I'm sceptical about the agenda of the Zeitgeist films but the following is interesting as it shows the links between the main religions and the earliest froms of sun worship -ignore the annoying tones of the voice-over and give it a few moments to get going and you may find it quite surprising....




(As i was writing this, and getting interupted, I see Margaret and Garinda have written again both mentioning spirituality in one way or another. To me spirituality has nothing to do with religion it is a knowing of the self and understanding how the elements that make up our-self can be completed by the others with whom we interact. It is a very personal human thing....as we progress in life we find those around us who compliment who we are and can make us our whole-selves.)

I posted this video a few years ago and got my karma decimated for my troubles. Fact is the idea of resurection comes from the Sun going through it's seasonal cycles every year - which also symbolises the cycles of the Soul = Reincarnation! If you believe it that is! It's common sense really that we (early humans) used to worship the sun in the sky as bringer of life etc.

[Benipete]

I'm sure I saw Ena,Minnie and Martha down the pub last night.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Benipete

I'm sure I saw Ena,Minnie and Martha down the pub last night.

You were probably watching one of corries omnibus editions they go on forever.

[garinda]

I must be lucky.

A chosen one.

I regularly have visitations, which are as real as anything I know to be actually there.

Even rarer, and therefore luckier I suppose, is the fact that these are aural, as well as visual manifestations.

Perhaps these shouty visitors are trying to tell me something interesting, and important.

Science, and my own reasoning, puts it down to a combination of having a neurolgical disease which effects the brain, mixed with the body's own electric currents, and the chemicals in the fourteen drugs I take every four hours.

Perhaps these aren't easily explained hallucinations after all, but spirits of long dead souls, who see me as some sort of conduit, a spirit guide.

Perhaps I should try and help the people I see, as clear as I see my living friends, and family.

Hang on though.

What about the rats?

They are by far the more frequent visitations I get, than the people I see.

Oh no.

Perhaps in a past life I was a pied piper, in Hamelin.



Odd thing, the brain, and it's capabilities, much of which remains as yet unknown.

One thing I'm sure of myself, is that when my body eventually dies, and no longer has the power to charge and activate my brain's function, the visitations will stop.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

If you ever get a visit from a dead person you might change your mind about what you believe.
Belief is better based on personal experience.

.

If I ever get a visit I'll let you all know, failing that when I pop my clogs I'll send you a message Margaret so you can pass it on

[MargaretR]

I can't explain my experiences on drugs or alcohol, since I use neither.
Were these 'visits' from identifiable dead persons or just chemical hallucinations?

I have googled info about the pineal gland (centre of the brain) and lo and behold -
Descartes believed in the concept of a 'soul'
Descartes and the Pineal Gland (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Some of his beliefs were wild by even my standards , so for Gordon to quote him is rather ironic.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I can't explain my experiences on drugs or alcohol, since I use neither.
Were these 'visits' from identifiable dead persons or just chemical hallucinations?

I have googled info about the pineal gland (centre of the brain) and lo and behold -
Descartes believed in the concept of a 'soul'
Descartes and the Pineal Gland (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Some of his beliefs were wild by even my standards , so for Gordon to quote him is rather ironic.

I'm not doubting what you've seen. Merely sharing my own, sometimes very strange experiences.

I've mentioned before, I was telling my acupuncturist about one hallucination, which I described in great detail.

It turns out, like my hallucination, her grandad was deaf, and a bad tempered man, who often shouted, and who after stopping being the landlord of the Tinker and Budget, lived in my house!

She went off to find a photograph of him, so I could see if it bore any resemblence to the man I'd seen, shouting in my front room, by the window. Which apparently where her grandad's chair had stood.

Thankfully it didn't.

If it had been, I might not have been so skeptical.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Descartes believed in the concept of a 'soul'
Descartes and the Pineal Gland (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Some of his beliefs were wild by even my standards , so for Gordon to quote him is rather ironic.

Read it again,MargaretR. I've read through it quickly(couldn't do that twice, life's too short) and his definition and explanation of the soul, its functions and its purpose is nothing to do with the concepts we've been discussing on here.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I can't explain my experiences on drugs or alcohol, since I use neither.
Were these 'visits' from identifiable dead persons or just chemical hallucinations?

I have googled info about the pineal gland (centre of the brain) and lo and behold -
Descartes believed in the concept of a 'soul'
Descartes and the Pineal Gland (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Some of his beliefs were wild by even my standards , so for Gordon to quote him is rather ironic.

It's not uncommon for people with Parkinson's to have hallucinations, before they're diagnosed, and start any drug treatments.

I'm also not suggesting people who see things all have Parkinon's. Just pointing out the common chemical imbalance, in this case can cause visual, and aural hallucinations.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I can't explain my experiences on drugs or alcohol, since I use neither.
Were these 'visits' from identifiable dead persons or just chemical hallucinations?

I have googled info about the pineal gland (centre of the brain) and lo and behold -
Descartes believed in the concept of a 'soul'
Descartes and the Pineal Gland (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Some of his beliefs were wild by even my standards , so for Gordon to quote him is rather ironic.

And there was me thinking irony was king on here

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

It's not uncommon for people with Parkinson's to have hallucinations, before they're diagnosed, and start any drug treatments.

I'm also not suggesting people who see things all have Parkinon's. Just pointing out the common chemical imbalance, in this case can cause visual, and aural hallucinations.

A lot of disorders are due to chemical imbalance Rindi, I would think its very frightening when it happens before any diagnosis is made

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I can't explain my experiences on drugs or alcohol, since I use neither.

Every single thing we ingest is made up of a myriad of different chemical compounds.