Corrie's Bill Roach believes in Reincarnation! - Page 5

Doug · 27-11-2011, 18:30

It's a great pity that these threads aren’t in real time, real life, i.e. all of us being together in the same space.

Personally I think every one of you are right to some degree, in these subjects there can be only on real answer; that is personal experience. A man touched by God i.e. Religion, is pure faith. Read the Bible; it's a Jewish history book full of historical events and best guesses of events in pre history and an attempt to explain life itself. But a man touch by God is usually guided by something much grater than a book or faith in dodgy Religion.

I believe in life after death i.e. Spiritualism, purely because of the answers I have had in respect of life's experiences; some of the very harsh and hurtful that no one could ever have guessed at; and some deep memories brought back to life that in return have meant haven't done myself in long before now. It's not religion or faith to me; It's what I believe personally, a belief.

Rindy, when you kark it you'll know for sure. My guess is that you will make every effort to get back and tell me I was right.

garinda · 27-11-2011, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Doug

It's a great pity that these threads aren’t in real time, real life, i.e. all of us being together in the same space.

Personally I think every one of you are right to some degree, in these subjects there can be only on real answer; that is personal experience. A man touched by God i.e. Religion, is pure faith. Read the Bible; it's a Jewish history book full of historical events and best guesses of events in pre history and an attempt to explain life itself. But a man touch by God is usually guided by something much grater than a book or faith in dodgy Religion.

I believe in life after death i.e. Spiritualism, purely because of the answers I have had in respect of life's experiences; some of the very harsh and hurtful that no one could ever have guessed at; and some deep memories brought back to life that in return have meant haven't done myself in long before now. It's not religion or faith to me; It's what I believe personally, a belief.

Rindy, when you kark it you'll know for sure. My guess is that you will make every effort to get back and tell me I was right.

I know what you believe, and because I respect you, I respect those beliefs.

I don't share them, and my own thoughts are just that. Thoughts I happen to believe to be true.

If it is possible, I would make every effort to come back.

Just to pee people off.

Gordon Booth · 27-11-2011, 19:38

Don't get me wrong, I know some people have experiences which can't be logically explained-I have first hand experience myself. I just think that if we knew enough there would be a logical explanation for them.
I know someone who was told by a spiritualist that they were a 'chalice'(whatever that is)- he didn't know them, he just looked at them and said it. He also said they must never go to a spiritualists meeting-they could well become the focus of unwanted or unwelcomed occurences.
Gobbldygook? Rubbish? Guess work?
What he didn't know was the person had already had and continued to have 'occurences'.I know because I was closely involved in some of them- some were strange, almost mischievous, some were decidedly alarming (even to me, a cynic).They were spontaneous but happened in the same locations.
I can't explain them but I believe there is a scientific explanation. Power of the brain/mind? I don't know.
Believe in what you believe in if it brings comfort. It would be boring if we all believed in the same things.

Bernard Dawson · 27-11-2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

MargaretR, I was(suppose I still am) a very highly qualified engineer so don't start lecturing me about vibrating energy and elementary quantum physics and telling me I need to read about it.My knowledge of quantum physics is almost certainly less elementary than yours is! Yours appears to be based on the kooky theories of some attention seeking morons spouting pseudo science who wish to sell books to gullible people like yourself!
Whether you accept it or not, you are made up of the same elements, molecules, atoms,electrons etc. as a mouse, tree, rock or anything else in the universe. Yes, I know 'I think therefore I am'. That just makes you a more advanced collection of all those things.
As for reading any of the books or material you mention-'Therein lies madness'.

A slight variation on Descartes, 'I think therefore I am' Gordon. I think I think therefore I might be.

MargaretR · 27-11-2011, 20:10

Descartes walks into a bar.

The bartender walks up to him and says, “Would you care for a drink?”

Descartes replied, “I think not.” and disappears.

PS "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things."
Rene Descarte

garinda · 27-11-2011, 20:37

'An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?'

- René Descartes.

garinda · 27-11-2011, 20:49

“I doubt, therefore I think”

- René Descartes.

Bernard Dawson · 27-11-2011, 20:57

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

Descartes walks into a bar.

The bartender walks up to him and says, “Would you care for a drink?”

Descartes replied, “I think not.” and disappears.

PS "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things."
Rene Descarte

That reminds me Margaret, the tale when Jean Paul Sartre died, who of course always seem to question the meaning of existence. It said on the billboard in Paris that Sartre was dead. Someone wrote underneath, 'congratulations to God for finally proving that Sartre doesn't exist'.

Gordon Booth · 27-11-2011, 20:58

He had some interesting ideas but hard work!
'I think therefore I am' but the chair I'm sat on doesn't think so it doesn't exist. So why don't I fall on the floor(which also doesn't exist).
Life is but a dream-perhaps that's true.

Bernard Dawson · 27-11-2011, 21:02

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Originally Posted by garinda

'An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?'

- René Descartes.

I'll have to think about that one.

Margaret Pilkington · 27-11-2011, 21:02

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Originally Posted by garinda

I know what you believe, and because I respect you, I respect those beliefs.

There is nothing wrong in having beliefs. You can choose in life which beliefs to hold and which to cast aside......that is your prerogative
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There is nothing wrong in respecting the belief of another....even though you may not subscribe to that belief yourself.

A belief is like a warm coat against the elements....mobertol said it was a 'comfort thing'....if that is the case, then why ridicule someone who holds a different belief to yourself?...isn't that akin to taking the coat away from them?
Respecting the belief of another, though you do not believe yourself, is civilised and mature.
Anything else is churlish.

garinda · 27-11-2011, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There is nothing wrong in having beliefs. You can choose in life which beliefs to hold and which to cast aside......that is your prerogative
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There is nothing wrong in respecting the belief of another....even though you may not subscribe to that belief yourself.

A belief is like a warm coat against the elements....mobertol said it was a 'comfort thing'....if that is the case, then why ridicule someone who holds a different belief to yourself?...isn't that akin to taking the coat away from them?
Respecting the belief of another, though you do not believe yourself, is civilised and mature.
Anything else is churlish.

I agree, to a point.

The trouble only starts when someone's faith in their belief is so strong, that not only do they dismiss anyone else's beliefs as not being true, or valid, they actively seek to convert others to their way of thinking.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed throughout the ages, because of this intolerance.

Margaret Pilkington · 27-11-2011, 21:21

yes G, you are right, but if someone holds strong beliefs and tries to convert you then they are not respectful of your beliefs are they?.........They don't believe you are right.
But to pour scorn on someones belief is not respectful either.
It all boils down to tolerance. That is what is needed in this world....tolerance.

garinda · 27-11-2011, 21:29

I personally know many more intolerant people who profess strong spiritual beliefs, connected to some organised body, than I do intolerant atheists.

I think most religious faiths have some wonderful tenets, which would make the world a better place if we all followed them.

Unfortunately religion/faith, like most things, can so easily be used as a cover to further other agendas.

Agendas which on the whole aren't connected with peace, and harmony.

cashman · 27-11-2011, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

yes G, you are right, but if someone holds strong beliefs and tries to convert you then they are not respectful of your beliefs are they?.........They don't believe you are right.
But to pour scorn on someones belief is not respectful either.
It all boils down to tolerance. That is what is needed in this world....tolerance.

Well i aint gonna tolerate that.