Corrie's Bill Roach believes in Reincarnation!

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by garinda

I agree, to a point.

The trouble only starts when someone's faith in their belief is so strong, that not only do they dismiss anyone else's beliefs as not being true, or valid, they actively seek to convert others to their way of thinking.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed throughout the ages, because of this intolerance.

More like millions, the islam believers are at it now all over the middle east, you believe in islam or die,
no live or let live, and they are spreading to every country in the world, stirring things up in the name of islam, missusing the words democracy & freedom to achieve their aims.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Respecting the belief of another, though you do not believe yourself, is civilised and mature.
Anything else is churlish.

Reading the above and reading through this thread I can hear some 'Ouch's.
I have my beliefs and normally keep them to myself. What does annoy me is when people start to push their beliefs as the only truth.
Garinda is right-millions of people have died or been made miserable by intolerance-lets say it-mainly Religious intolerance. That's something for which there appears to be no end.
'Never argue religion or politics'. We often argue one on here- we're getting dangerously close to the other.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

yes G, you are right, but if someone holds strong beliefs and tries to convert you then they are not respectful of your beliefs are they?.........They don't believe you are right.
But to pour scorn on someones belief is not respectful either.
It all boils down to tolerance. That is what is needed in this world....tolerance.

I'm afraid I disagree.

I certainly don't respect all peoples' beliefs.

Especially if those beliefs actively preach inequality, and intolerance of others, for no other reason than prejudice.

Not only won't I respect those beliefs, I'd challenge and fight them.

What some faiths believe isn't worthy of any respect, in my opinion.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I wasn't necessarily talking about religious beliefs, but all beliefs.
And I apologise, it wasn't initially mobertol who talked about comfort...she was quoting you G.

If Bill Roache believes in reincarnation, it doesn't impact on any of our lives...unless we are foolish enough to slavishly follow what these so called celebs do with their lives.
It is a peaceful belief. It is easy to accept and be tolerant of.

[Margaret Pilkington]

This thread was not about religion, but about an actors belief in reincarnation.

[garinda]

When it comes to various fundamentalist faith groups/religions, who seek to impose their own beliefs, over and above what passes for a democratic system, not only can they go and whistle, if they expect any respect from me, I'll actively fight their crusade until I draw my last breath.

(...and return to dust.)

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

This thread was not about religion, but about an actors belief in reincarnation.

It's intermixed.

Name one religion that doesn't believe in some sort of afterlife/reincarnation.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

I'm afraid I disagree.

I certainly don't respect all peoples' beliefs.

Especially if those beliefs actively preach inequality, and intolerance of others, for no other reason than prejudice.

Not only won't I respect those beliefs, I'd challenge and fight them.

What some faiths believe isn't worthy of any respect, in my opinion.

I can't argue with that G.
After all, Hitler had the belief that only the aryans should breed...that there should be a pure race......that the jews should eliminated from the face of the earth.
It was intolerance on his part and he brainwashed a lot of people who knew that what they were doing was wrong into believing that he was right.
We are given a free choice to determine what we will believe.

Those who preach intolerance, inequality and who further prejudice.......they are not respectful of the beliefs of others, so they can get no respect.
You get what you give out.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I wasn't necessarily talking about religious beliefs, but all beliefs.
And I apologise, it wasn't initially mobertol who talked about comfort...she was quoting you G.

If Bill Roache believes in reincarnation, it doesn't impact on any of our lives...unless we are foolish enough to slavishly follow what these so called celebs do with their lives.
It is a peaceful belief. It is easy to accept and be tolerant of.

Yes it was me, and I stand by it.

Faith in something other than life and death, is a human creation that does comfort.

Every unconnected society on earth, since the begining of human time, have created their own belief systems, as a way of comforting themselves that there must be something else, greater than life itself.

It's natural.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

It's intermixed.

Name one religion that doesn't believe in some sort of afterlife/reincarnation.

Well, most faiths have some form of heaven and Hell scenario...but I'm not sure about faiths that believe in reincarnation....Does Buddhism believe that we come back to re-learn the lessons that we failed at in the last life?
I think maybe it does. But you don't often hear of Buddhist fundamentalist sect trying to bomb us out of existence.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I can't argue with that G.
After all, Hitler had the belief that only the aryans should breed...that there should be a pure race......that the jews should eliminated from the face of the earth.
It was intolerance on his part and he brainwashed a lot of people who knew that what they were doing was wrong into believing that he was right.
We are given a free choice to determine what we will believe.

Those who preach intolerance, inequality and who further prejudice.......they are not respectful of the beliefs of others, so they can get no respect.
You get what you give out.

I know some truly wonderful human beings, who have very strong faith, which I don't happen share. Quite a few I've met through this forum.

I also know people who use their faith to further their own intolerance.

There's been many more wars fought in the name of religion, than there ever have in the name of atheism.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

Yes it was me, and I stand by it.

Faith in something other than life and death, is a human creation that does comfort.

Every unconnected society on earth, since the begining of human time, have created their own belief systems, as a way of comforting themselves that there must be something else, greater than life itself.

It's natural.

Yes and I think you will find that I agreed with it being a comfort.

I subscribe to no religious beliefs but I wouldn't want to say that those who have a strong faith, aren't entitled to that, if it is what they choose.
Having any other belief is the same...as long as it harms no-one and doesn't impact on my life then let them have what comforts them the most.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Well, most faiths have some form of heaven and Hell scenario...but I'm not sure about faiths that believe in reincarnation....Does Buddhism believe that we come back to re-learn the lessons that we failed at in the last life?
I think maybe it does. But you don't often hear of Buddhist fundamentalist sect trying to bomb us out of existence.

Realms/karma/reincarnation is at the core of Buddhist teaching, and faith.

Probably more so, than almost any other organised religion.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Wars are only fought in the name of religion because it gives that war a kind of validity.
And religions have great masses of followers, who sometimes will do what is asked of them without engaging critical thought processes.
To say something has 'God's Will' is misguided and arrogant....but in the past people were brainwashed into thinking the religious leaders were right.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

Realms/karma/reincarnation is at the core of Buddhist teaching, and faith.

Probably more so, than almost any other organised religion.

And isn't Buddhism one of the most peaceful, peaceloving religions.
Have there been any wars started by Bhuddists?
I am not being 'fly'when I ask this. I truly do not know.