Corrie's Bill Roach believes in Reincarnation!

[Doug]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Flatterer Doug

This Lady is the most caring person that I've never met.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Doug

Just personal life experiences of religion and beliefs Mancie; the Mother in Law event was over 20 years ago, my marriage lasted 3 years, the heart ache of that experience is buried deep but always hurtful; the same can be said of the Mother in Law.

Despite having a Church of England background what hurts is the fact that Catholic blood runs in my veins through ancestors as does the blood of the Jews, but the selfishness and blindness of other peoples religion never considers that.

We all know that the most persecuted religion in history is that of the Jews; mostly by a Jewish sect called Christianity; within Christianity the Catholic Church persecuted and murdered its way though its own people and those of other religions and in turn the English Church persecuted and murdered its way though the Catholics of the British Isles and beyond. Everybody's had a go at the Muslims and yet True Islam is one of the most respectful and embracing of all the peoples of the Book. It is also one of the greatest contributors to Medicine, Science and literacy.

So what's wrong in the world today is no different than a thousand years ago; religion has always been a power base of a few to control a mostly illiterate majority only today we call ourselves enlightened and the rest of the worlds religions has some variation of evil. Only Man is evil towards other men and usually its only a few; today it's within the hand of politics; before that in the hands of Kings; before that Priests and before that tribal leaders and mystics. Power as never been in the hands of the people and it never will.

All we can do is try and respect others and take only those elements of religion or beliefs that work for us and show no offence to those that don't. I am as happy to dance around a tree naked has I am to sit in a Church. People who seek to hurt others will only suffer themselves in time; it's wrote throughout our history

I had two mother-in-laws Doug, I could have gently squeeze them round the neck on many occasions, but resisted the temptation, and you right about others receiving their comeuppance, its called what goes around comes around

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Doug

So what's wrong in the world today is no different than a thousand years ago; religion has always been a power base of a few to control a mostly illiterate majority only today we call ourselves enlightened and the rest of the worlds religions has some variation of evil. Only Man is evil towards other men and usually its only a few; today it's within the hand of politics; before that in the hands of Kings; before that Priests and before that tribal leaders and mystics. Power as never been in the hands of the people and it never will.

All we can do is try and respect others and take only those elements of religion or beliefs that work for us and show no offence to those that don't. I am as happy to dance around a tree naked has I am to sit in a Church. People who seek to hurt others will only suffer themselves in time; it's wrote throughout our history

My sentiments entirely.
I have looked back at the first post in this thread and nowhere in that post is religion mention, or even alluded to.

Somehow, religion crept in and subverted the thread.

This is among people who 'know' one another through the common bond of the forum....so you can see how easy it is that in the name of religion(one or many - it really doesn't matter) to create unease, conflict and subsequently war.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

My sentiments entirely.
I have looked back at the first post in this thread and nowhere in that post is religion mention, or even alluded to.

What inspired this thread, is the film of Bill Roach, linked in the very first post of this thread.

In which he states reincarnation is 'part of a spiritual journey'.

To believe something of which there's no proof, requires faith.

Faith, religion, call it what you will.

Discussing reincarnation, without mentioning religion/spiritual belief is nigh on impossible. As it's a concept common to various religions.

I should imagine there's very few atheists who believe in reincarnation, because they believe there's no life at all, after death.

[Margaret Pilkington]

You can be spritiual without being religious.(I like to think that over the years I have become more spiritual -though perhaps it is philosophical rather than spiritual...I don't know)
Faith does not need to be religion based either. I am faithful in my marriage......I have faith in family values.
I have no religion....so am I an atheist? I live by what are, by and large, Christian principles and yet do not subscribe to the dogma of that religion. No I wasn't married in Church and I didn't have my daughter christened.

I am only mentionig these things for illustration. I am not 'getting' at anyone for their beliefs or lack of them.

Whatever gets you through the dark times is Ok by me...as long as it doesn't impact on anothers life values.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You can be spritiual without being religious.(I like to think that over the years I have become more spiritual -though perhaps it is philosophical rather than spiritual...I don't know)
Faith does not need to be religion based either. I am faithful in my marriage......I have faith in family values.
I have no religion....so am I an atheist? I live by what are, by and large, Christian principles and yet do not subscribe to the dogma of that religion. No I wasn't married in Church and I didn't have my daughter christened.

I am only mentionig these things for illustration. I am not 'getting' at anyone for their beliefs or lack of them.

Whatever gets you through the dark times is Ok by me...as long as it doesn't impact on anothers life values.

Yes, but all religions believe spirit survives death, in some way, or another.

I fear we're just going round in circles.

I think it impossible to discuss reincarnation, without touching on the idea of life after death, whatever we want to call it.

Personally, I believe life ends with death.

Others don't.

That's their right.

I wouldn't dream of trying to convince anyone else to my way of thinking.

Even though many who do believe in life after death, see it as their divine right, to try and convert me, to share their beliefs.

They can try, as long as I'm not asleep, or having my tea, but it will be futile.

[mobertol]

As a born sceptic, i'm afraid that the whole reincarnation thing is just another selfish way of thinking you can hang on to life. So much of all religions is about control, power and making money by keeping people living in fear of their own mortality. They are all tied into the very earliest superstitions of man linked to sun worship, fertility and the seasons. The basics of life. We, at an RC school danced round maypoles every year dressed in white for example...there are harvest festivals in churches, Xmas itself being held in the depths of winter is a throw back to ancient pagan festivals which were in place before the Christian church came into being.

People believe all sorts of weird things, that's OK by me a long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat or impose them on the masses. What if Scientology takes over the world? Tom Cruise is a great ambassador for this silliness. We'd all be looking back up to the stars which is what our ancestors did many thousands of years ago....

I'm sceptical about the agenda of the Zeitgeist films but the following is interesting as it shows the links between the main religions and the earliest froms of sun worship -ignore the annoying tones of the voice-over and give it a few moments to get going and you may find it quite surprising....




(As i was writing this, and getting interupted, I see Margaret and Garinda have written again both mentioning spirituality in one way or another. To me spirituality has nothing to do with religion it is a knowing of the self and understanding how the elements that make up our-self can be completed by the others with whom we interact. It is a very personal human thing....as we progress in life we find those around us who compliment who we are and can make us our whole-selves.)

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Whatever gets you through the dark times is Ok by me...as long as it doesn't impact on anothers life values.

Quite agree.

I wasn't being disparaging, when I said belief in an afterlife is comforting.

It's a great comfort, to many people, and has been since man first thought about it.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

“I doubt, therefore I think”

- René Descartes.

All this thinking will give you indigestion, make sure you have some of me in your bathroom cabinet

-Rene Tablets.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

All this thinking will give you indigestion, make sure you have some of me in your bathroom cabinet

-Rene Tablets.

Oh I don't waste life's pecious time thinking too much.

Act on instinct.

Think about it later, if you must.

If instinct lets you down.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

Oh I don't waste life's pecious time thinking too much.

Act on instinct.

Think about it later, if you must.

If instinct lets you down.

Basic insticts are the best ones to follow and you have no control over them, so no-one can blame you whatever you do....

[garinda]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Basic insticts are the best ones to follow and you have no control over them, so no-one can blame you whatever you do....

[Less]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I don't have a religion.
I understand how some people assume that religion and reincarnation belief neccessarily go together.
They don't - so all this religion talk is off thread.

It would all be off thread if you were the subject of this thread, but you are not, Bill Roach is.
So, until he comes on and tells us it is off thread to connect it to religion I somehow suspect we shall continue to.
So, perhaps now you will stop your pallid attempts at being an 'expert'?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

Quite agree.

I wasn't being disparaging, when I said belief in an afterlife is comforting.

It's a great comfort, to many people, and has been since man first thought about it.

I didn't think you were being disparaging at all.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I didn't think you were being disparaging at all.

I knew you wouldn't.



Just found this in The Independent.

'His 1993 autobiography, Ken and Me, reads, in parts, like a self-help manual for the spiritually challenged. One chapter begins: "One of the great discoveries I have made while pursuing the quest for enlightenment has been the universal and timeless efficacy of astrology."

Makes you think.

Mainly 'nutter'.

But that's just my own belief.